please help me id this hatchlings

[oweneleon]

please help me to id this hatchlings...
its raptor x shtct het raptor.
what it can be??

they both have solid red eyes

thank you.

 

[Thorgecko707]

HYPO-TA or HYPO-TAE. Very nice indeed.

 

[oweneleon]

thanks
what is hypo-ta / hypo-tae means??
do they have a chance to become sunglow raptor?

 

[cocogecko]

maybe hypo-ta means Hypo-Tremper Albino and hypo-tae means Hypo-Tremper Albino Eclipse (Raptor) Beautiful babies anyway!

 

[Jordan]

They are Raptors... If they are both albino's and both have eclipse eyes, then they are both Raptors.

This is why research is vital before breeding.

 

[OneFootedAce]

Nice banded raptors. They look nice and chunky too!

 

[Taquiq]

Chubby little RAPTOR's!

 

[oweneleon]

thanks for all of you guys..
but i lit bit confused,my friend said they could be a hybino raptor. is it true?

 

[lillith]

thanks for all of you guys..
but i lit bit confused,my friend said they could be a hybino raptor. is it true?

hybino = hypo tangerine + albino

So...technically possible...can you post pics of the parents?
Folks mentioned they are banded since they aren't showing any jungle or stripe pattern. Hypo tangerines have bands usually, but not always. Hypo just means they have reduced spotting/markings...since they're albino, this wouldn't apply in the classical sense of hypo (there's no melanin, rather than low melanin).

Congrats on your new bebes, read up on RAPTORS, it'll make more sense...

 

[oweneleon]

hybino = hypo tangerine + albino

So...possible...can you post pics of the parents?
Folks mentioned they are banded since they aren't showing any jungle or stripe pattern. Hypo tangerines have bands usually, but not always. Hypo just means they have reduced spotting/markings...since they're albino, this wouldn't apply in the classical sense of hypo (there's no melanin, rather than low melanin).

Congrats on your new bebes, read up on RAPTORS, it'll make more sense...

here it is the parents.
its super hypo tangerine het raptor x raptor
thank you very much.

 

[fuzzylogix]

nice little banded raptors. but please get those crickets out of there. way too large for them and the crickets will bite the leos. they shouldn't be fed until after their first shed and the food should be size appropriate.

 

[lillith]

Well now we see why the bebes are such lil' chunkers...mom and dad are nice and healthy, too.

Sorry if I confused you earlier with the hybino thing. Hybinos (aka Sunglows, if vivid) and RAPTORs are both tangerine albinos, but RAPTORs also have eclipse eye. They also are usually patternless stripe, but yours didn't inherit that from dad. So they're banded tremper eclipses/banded RAPTORs. Not trying to be redundant, just more clear.

And, I second the notion about removing the crickets. You'd need to start with pinheads, after their first shed. It can take up to a week.

 

[M_surinamensis]

Hypo just means they have reduced spotting/markings...since they're albino, this wouldn't apply in the classical sense of hypo (there's no melanin, rather than low melanin).

That's... not exactly accurate.

Hypo is a prefix which simply indicates that whatever follows is present in less than average quantities. By itself, it doesn't even specify a cause for the condition; though the term sometimes ends up being casually used to indicate a given genotype in some species. That should generally be avoided, since it potentially causes unnecessary confusion. So hypomelanism is a broad term for an observed condition that does not in any way identify the underlying cause; it may be a genetic mutation which causes an interrupt in pigment production, it may be a physiological or even physical condition. The prefix can also be used with other terms; hypoxanthic and hypoerythristic reptiles aren't uncommon for example.

Albino leopard geckos produce melanin. All known strains of albinism in leopard geckos are tyrosinase positive, melanin is produced but it is not sequestered in melanophores in the skin as would usually be the case. The melanin is constantly produced and constantly flushed away by the circulatory system; this is why albino leopard geckos are so often brown. The pigment is present, it's just not where it is supposed to be.

All of which is why the combination of different forms of hypomelanism in conjunction with albinism in leopard geckos can produce visually different results. The albinism doesn't affect the density or productivity of melanophores, it just prevents the pigment from building up in specific cells as it is supposed to. Depending on the specifics behind the hypomelanism, this might create a more dramatic effect. If the hypomelanism is a result of a lower density of melanophores or if it is limiting melanin production, then there can be less melanin present and unsequestered at any given time, reducing that brown appearance even further. Other forms of hypomelanism might result in no discernible difference, it really depends on exactly what is being interrupted or reduced and when it is happening. These, in turn, can be combined with other color and pattern traits for even more distinction as a visual effect.

 

[oweneleon]

i have removed the cricket 2 days ago,and they have finished sheds. now they eat pinheads properly,.
so its banded raptor. i should wait 3 more months to say that they could be hybno or not.
thanks guys for helping me. appreciate it

 

[im faster]

That's... not exactly accurate.

When are you just gonna break down and write a book?

Id buy it haha

 

[M_surinamensis]

When are you just gonna break down and write a book?

Me? Probably never.

I've got a lot of convictions when it comes to publication, I feel that anyone placing themselves in the role of an educator is assuming a responsibility to be thorough and accurate. Further, that anyone who actively seeks out the role, as would be required to have a book published, should do so with the intention of being the very best that it is possible to be. Which means that anything which is less accurate or less useful to the reader shouldn't be written to begin with.

I feel similarly about a lot of websites hosting care sheets. That there's an obligation many of them fail to fulfill. If it's not going to be the best, if it's not going to be more useful than something which already exists, then the author would do better to just direct people to the existing sources of information.

Forum threads are a bit different, the context is more conversational, which grants some additional leeway and allows for briefer subject specific responses. There's a sort of mutual understanding that any ideas exchanged will be largely informal.

Plus... I think the world could really do with someone who has the writing ability and charisma to pull off a Feynman-like book that connects the science of biology to the hobby/business/culture of pet keeping in a way that introduces some pretty technical concepts in an approachable and easy to understand manner... I also think that I am not the person to do that. Doing it successfully would require recognition of expertise, a name with credibility. It would require a kindly disposition and an easygoing style. It would require a very precise presentation to target a broad audience. None of that really describes me.

I think the very best example of such a book might be Greg Maxwell's "Complete Chondro" although there are a few other people who have produced some really excellent books that are useful to the novice and expert alike, for various species.

If you want to bug someone about publication, I think you should get on Kelli to co-author something with her husband. Between the two of them they know almost everything there is to know about reptiles, they're both affable and approachable in their writing, their reputations and credentials are beyond reproach and if there is anything they'd want to tag someone else in to author a segment or a chapter about, I'm guessing they've got a rolodex somewhere with every noteworthy herpetologist, field biologist, pet industry leader, zoo curator and ecologist in the world listed in it.

 

[Adinar]

Me? Probably never.

I've got a lot of convictions when it comes to publication, I feel that anyone placing themselves in the role of an educator is assuming a responsibility to be thorough and accurate. Further, that anyone who actively seeks out the role, as would be required to have a book published, should do so with the intention of being the very best that it is possible to be. Which means that anything which is less accurate or less useful to the reader shouldn't be written to begin with.

I feel similarly about a lot of websites hosting care sheets. That there's an obligation many of them fail to fulfill. If it's not going to be the best, if it's not going to be more useful than something which already exists, then the author would do better to just direct people to the existing sources of information.

Forum threads are a bit different, the context is more conversational, which grants some additional leeway and allows for briefer subject specific responses. There's a sort of mutual understanding that any ideas exchanged will be largely informal.

Plus... I think the world could really do with someone who has the writing ability and charisma to pull off a Feynman-like book that connects the science of biology to the hobby/business/culture of pet keeping in a way that introduces some pretty technical concepts in an approachable and easy to understand manner... I also think that I am not the person to do that. Doing it successfully would require recognition of expertise, a name with credibility. It would require a kindly disposition and an easygoing style. It would require a very precise presentation to target a broad audience. None of that really describes me.

I think the very best example of such a book might be Greg Maxwell's "Complete Chondro" although there are a few other people who have produced some really excellent books that are useful to the novice and expert alike, for various species.

If you want to bug someone about publication, I think you should get on Kelli to co-author something with her husband. Between the two of them they know almost everything there is to know about reptiles, they're both affable and approachable in their writing, their reputations and credentials are beyond reproach and if there is anything they'd want to tag someone else in to author a segment or a chapter about, I'm guessing they've got a rolodex somewhere with every noteworthy herpetologist, field biologist, pet industry leader, zoo curator and ecologist in the world listed in it.

But, I could so see you're avatar in the "About the author" part of the book. lol. I'd buy it too. Can never have too many resources. Unless, that is, if it is the same info regurgatated. In that case forums it is. But I could still see the avatar. haha.

 

[Tony C]

And, I second the notion about removing the crickets. You'd need to start with pinheads, after their first shed. It can take up to a week.

Have you ever seen a pinhead? They would be little more than an annoyance to a leopard gecko, even the tiniest of hatchlings. I don't bother with anything smaller than 1/2", and bigger hatchlings are perfectly capable of handling even adult crickets.

 

[IslaReina]

I hope you didn't turn in that homework after that...

 

[lillith]

Okay, guilty for not finishing my gecko cellular A&P class.
Hypodermic needles go under the skin, I get hypo.

What I meant by pinhead crickets is the smallest ones you can get at the petstore, which is what they were called by my local petstore, anything from 1/4" to 1/2" or so.

Having been thoroughly chastised, I will go spend some time reading up on tyrosinase, and review my chromatophores and melanocytes. It couldn't hurt, I'm sure...