please help me: what I have?

[Geckoter]

they comes all from Pakistan this summer:
/just out from the quarantine/

this both arn't in shed....they are still so pale.....

 

[RepBex]

if they are wild caught they will be normals

 

[shadowx362]

Very nice lookers. Wild caught have been known to be pale,lavender and the dirty brown color.

 

[Griesi]

They look like some of the wc that are sold as E.m. fasciolatus. Personally, I don`t believe, that E.m. fasciolatus is a valid subspecies but a local variation.
Anyways, some really good and healthy looking Eublepharis macularius that look much better than some of the morphs :main_yes:

 

[cj.thomas21]

Nice geckos.

 

[rawson5084]

pretty geckos

 

[paulnj]

I'm sorry, but if a gecko is scientificly classified as a subspecies... it is until otherwise stated. I do agree that many classifications have wrongfully been made in the animal kingdom over the last 30 years though.

I do agree the some look similiar to alleged fasciolatus, but also looks like some "Wild caught" Eublepharis macularius macularius on some lists too.

 

[Griesi]

Hi Paul,

there is quite a scientifical controversy about the Eubleharis subspecies. In 1988 Grismer put the 1864 described E. macularius fasciolatuss (by Günther ) back into Eublepharis macularius - and he had good reasons for doing so. You may check his paper about the topic or "The Eyelash Geckos"-book, that also gives you an actual overview about the valid species and subspecies.
Especially the pholidose diagnosis for the E. mac. subspecies is not a safe thing at all. There had only been very few animals available for the describing of the subspecies- and they had no very prominent features. An mtDNA analysis wasn`t been done in those days as this technique was not around and no herpetologist is working with Eublepharis macularius subspecies today.
Thats the reason that makes it at least doubtfull, that there are more subspecies than E.m.m. and E. m. afghanicus. The other forms may only be the periphery of the clinal variation. There are different forms as we can all see and a lot more research has to be done on that topic. I personally doubt, that montanus, fasciolatus and others are subspecies I tend to say, that they are just local variations.


Best regards
Karsten




Grismer, LL (1988): Phylogeny, Taxonomy, Classification, and Biogeography of Eublepharid Geckos. Stanford University Press, Stanford, California, p. 369-469

 

[paulnj]

Thanks for that reply and I now understand what you were saying earlier in the thread.