Punnett Square 4 Raptors

[spykerherps]

Another post got me thinking it said Het raptor x het raptor will give you 66% possible het raptors.

I know the punnett square for this particular pairing is not that difficult but I have rarely/almost never used the PS in the past. Is this correct?

We have a bunch of het raptors and all are either patternless stripe or redstripe/rainbows wouldn't striped het raptor x striped het raptor give you 25% raptors

 

[spykerherps]

Bump... Is this out come correct or have people had other results?

 

[paulh]

As nobody else has answered, I'll take a shot at it.

Sorry, your Punnett square is for only one gene pair, which is incorrect.

"... RAPTORs are a combination morph. They are a combination of the Eclipse morph, Patternless morph, and the Tremper Albino morph." Quoted from http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=RAPTOR

Tremper albino is produced by the action of a recessive mutant gene. So is patternless. I think eclipse and striped are also recessive mutant genes, but I don't have my list handy, so I could be wrong there. If the mutant genes are diagnosed correctly, a het raptor actually has a tremper albino mutant gene paired with a normal gene, a patternless mutant gene paired with a normal gene, and an eclipse mutant gene paired with a normal gene. I'm ignoring the striped mutant gene, which would be in a fourth gene pair.

To make a long story short, het raptor X het raptor would require an 8X8 Punnett square, and the mating would be expected to produce 1/64 raptors over the long haul.

A patternless het raptor has a tremper albino mutant gene paired with a normal gene, a pair of patternless mutant genes, and an eclipse mutant gene paired with a normal gene. Patternless het raptor X patternless het raptor would require a 4X4 Punnett square and be expected to produce 1/16 raptors.

Good luck.

 

[spykerherps]

Thank you.
I feel silly with my little four square.
I produced these guys late in 07 from a bold stripe red stripe cross (at least that is what she was sold to me as) X a reverse stripe hybino. which at the time sold to me as possible aptor or het aptor.
(Hypothetical sanario)
If these guys were albinos, wouldn't they be Aptors? then throw some eclipse/ raptor genes in there. say those albinos are 100% het Raptor you wouldn't get a higher percentage of raptors like even 1 in 8 .

or does it work more like some het raptor pairings throw more raptors then others.
I feel very confused.:dizzy2::dozey:

 

[spykerherps]

We use the term Patternless Stripe, instead of causing confusion, by calling a "jungle-ish" patterned animal a patternless, when there is allready a morph called Patternless.

Patternless Stripe was the name given to what can only be described as a "non Albino Aptor". They came from Red Stripe X Reverse Stripe Albino, and were later proven to be the same as the Aptor/Raptor/Eclipsissinian genetics.

So now it is used to describe the pattern of an Aptor, and also as a morph name for a non-Albino Leo displaying it. As in Patternless Red Striped Eclipse.

To answer the question an Aptor is basically a het for Raptor. Raptor eyes are indeed the Albino expression of the Eclipse trait. The difference between an Aptor, and a normal Tang Albino is the patterning. "Patternless Stripe" is key to producing the Eclipse trait. In the same way that the "common" patterns were key in producing Patternless Stripe.

Just found this from another thread by doing a search. I should have stated I was using Patternless stripes not regular stripes. 1/16 sounds a little better.

 

[supperl]

THat was what I rememberd, too. I guess you did what Dan did their.