Question about TUG Phantoms

[Shera]

I was just wondering, does a Phantom by definition have only 1C Hypo, and 1C TUG snow, or can it have 2 copies of both? I'm only curious because the Genetics Calculator doesn't call offspring with 2 copies of each (and the tremper phenotype) a Phantom, it only lists it as phantom if it has 1C of each. If they are not Phantoms how does their appearance differ if at all?

 

[Shera]

Bump, someone's gotta know this. Maybe I should just email Craig, lol.

 

[StopperExotics]

To be honest Shera, I'd email Craig. He's fantastic, and incredibly knowledgeable. Good luck on your findings, you'll have to share! (I have three geckos on the way from him as of today!)

 

[BSM]

forgot the tremper albino part also you cant tell the difference between 1c and 2c tug snows. Its basically the same thing as a hypo mack snow albino (snow glow) but with the tug snow replacing the mack snow gene.

The more you breed back to sun glows the more nicer the tug snow albino offspring will be

 

[Gazz]

Genetics Calculator doesn't call offspring with 2 copies of each.

If you untick the box where it says (Supress 1 Copy and 2 Copy) it will show [2C] in the offspring results.

 

[Shera]

forgot the tremper albino part also you cant tell the difference between 1c and 2c tug snows. Its basically the same thing as a hypo mack snow albino (snow glow) but with the tug snow replacing the mack snow gene.

The more you breed back to sun glows the more nicer the tug snow albino offspring will be

I didn't forget the tremper part (re-read my OP), but it's a given that they are homozygous for the tremper albino gene, so that's not the part I'm interested in. I'm interested in the genetic make-up for possible future breeding, because if you have 2 1C hypo 1C TUG snow tremper albinos and you breed them together you aren't going to get all phantoms.

 

[Shera]

If you untick the box where it says (Supress 1 Copy and 2 Copy) it will show [2C] in the offspring results.

Oh, I see, so they do call them phantoms too, good to know, thanks.

 

[Tony C]

1C/2C is not really significant with dominant traits because there is no difference in the phenotype.

 

[Gazz]

I didn't forget the tremper part (re-read my OP), but it's a given that they are homozygous for the tremper albino gene, so that's not the part I'm interested in. I'm interested in the genetic make-up for possible future breeding, because if you have 2 1C hypo 1C TUG snow tremper albinos and you breed them together you aren't going to get all phantoms.

First you have to know what a Phantom is.TUG don't even know what a Phantom is they sell a whole rang of leo's expessing Talbino + Dom snow as Phantom i've seen Talbino snow,Talbino hypo snow,Talbino snow tangerine'etc'etc look at the availible on TUG's site there all colors and types.So god knows what a Phantom really is.That why i just call the what i see.Talbino snow,Talbino hypo snow'etc'etc.

Like you said Phantom X Phantom doesn't result in 100% Phantoms if they are [1C] pearents that's if a Phantom is a Talbino hypo snow.It would only deffo be 100% is both Phantoms was Talbino hypo snow and both the Hypo and the snow in them was [2C] in both breeders.

 

[StopperExotics]

Gazz, I'm not so sure that you're 100% correct in your definition of the Phantom. They don't necessarily list if they are banded, hypo, super hypo, etc. The body pattern, whether jungle, stripe, banded, hypo, super hypo isn't really relative to what defines a Phantom. However, if you really want to know 100% of what the Phantom is, your best bet is to talk to Craig himself, he'll be able to straighten any misinformation out for you. I know that I've got two banded looking Phantoms on the way, and a super hypo at home already; and all are classified as Phantoms.

 

[Shera]

1C/2C is not really significant with dominant traits because there is no difference in the phenotype.

Unless of course they are co-dominant. I'm still unclear about whether or not the Hypo gene is, or if you only get super hypos by breeding hypo (dom gene) with line bred hypos. Anyone know?

 

[Shera]

Craig said that the ones they sell are 2C Hypo and 1C Snow, although I'm not sure how you could know that for sure if you are breeding 2 phantoms together (which is the case with the ones they sell since it lists the parents). Maybe he meant that his breeders are 2C Hypo and 1C Snow (the result of a Phantom and a Sunglow?), I dunno.

 

[Tony C]

My understanding of the current thought regarding hypo is that it is a dominant trait, and that super hypos result from line breeding hypos, making it a combination of dominant and polygenic traits. I could be wrong though, so anyone who has a better explanation feel free to set me straight.