RAPTOR genetic Question

[supperl]

Hi everyone^^

Okay I thought of buying a pair of het RAPTORs for December Expo and would like to ask e few things:

APTOR and RAPTOR is same thing just with different eye colour(Red eyed) right?

So if I have an APTOR het RAPTOR I have following offsprings:
25% APTOR
50% APTOR het RAPTOR
25% RAPTOR

is that right so far?

When I have an APTOR het RAPTOR paired with a Sunglow or Tangerine carrot head both het RAPTOR what would I get?
I mena okay same as above with the RAPTOR part but whats with the other things?
All will be Albinos and the other thing? As we have an APTOR het RAPTOR male pairid with an normal Albino het Raptor there could be the chance to get APTOR offsprings right? I mean the Albino is het RAPTOR but at all it´s also het APTOR right?

So pairing an APTOR het RAPTOR with and Sunglow het RAPTOR would bring:
Raptor part:
25% non Raptor
50% het Raptor
25% Raptor

Aptor part
50% Aptor
50% het Aptor

and than if they are no [R]APTORs they would be Sunglows(when mum was a sunglow) or funkypatterned Albino when mumy was Tangerine carrot head right?
So if no APTOR and no RAPTOR we would name it 100% het APTOR and how much % het RAPTOR?

THX for reading and Help

ByE
Thorsten

 

[Lottiz]

I think it's like this...

If you use a Raptor all offsprings will be 100% het raptor.
Your first example: Aptor (non het) + Raptor:
100% aptor het raptor.

Aptor het raptor + Raptor:
25% aptor het raptor
75% Raptor, both all red eyes and snake eyes.

Aptor het raptor + sunglow het raptor:
50% albinos het raptor (maybe jungles?)
50% raptors, all red eyes and snake eyes. (maybe jungles?)

Sunglow is a line breed morph so I don't think you can get any sunglows there. More of albino jungles.

 

[supperl]

Hi Liselott and thx for reply.

Why do you think this will work:
Aptor het raptor + Raptor:
25% aptor het raptor
75% Raptor, both all red eyes and snake eyes.

Isn´t het*homo = 50/50? Like breeding an Het Albino to an Albino and getting 50% Albino and 50% het Albino?


Than to my firs example, I meant pairing Aptor het Raptor to Aptor het Raptor(wrote it a bit not-understandable^^).
That would bring:
25% APTOR
50% APTOR het RAPTOR
25% RAPTOR
?


And I thought it could be Sunglow offsprings cause APTORs are bright yellow and orange Albino Patty Tremper Orange<-- or is the Aptor colour not the same intense as the Sunglow one and looks only like that cause of the pattygene?
But at all there shouldn´t hatch ordinary Albinos jungles or tangerines CT/CHs or so I would guess. But I think it´s depending on the parents.

 

[cjreptiles]

Than to my firs example, I meant pairing Aptor het Raptor to Aptor het Raptor(wrote it a bit not-understandable^^).
That would bring:
25% APTOR
50% APTOR het RAPTOR
25% RAPTOR
?

Yup, you were right first time.

 

[supperl]

So I´ve decided for Aptor het RAPTOR pair which makes me happy^^

but It´s still interesting to now what will hatch from
Aptor het Raptor * Sunglows(or normal Albino) het Raptor

I mean het Raptor is also het Aptor right? Or more the most of the Genes. So it could/would be possible that out of that pairing we hatch Aptors right? As the het Raptor *Aptor should produce Aptors right?

Dunno if I write understandable but do you understand what I mean?
het Raptor and het Aptor differ only in the eye colour so one could say het Raptor is het Aptor and het Ruby eye right? So Aptor * het Raptor should produce Aptors, too or am I wrong? Does someone have a solution?

 

[supperl]

I´ve now decided for
Aptor het Raptor male
Raptor female.

That should give:
50% Aptor het Raptor
50% Raptor

Is that right?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

That is right but you cannot count on the pattern being the same. I would say you`de get half Raptors, and half het Raptors. The patterns can vary, depending on the parents, because Raptors actually carry the genes for all patterns.

 

[supperl]

That is right but you cannot count on the pattern being the same. I would say you`de get half Raptors, and half het Raptors. The patterns can vary, depending on the parents, because Raptors actually carry the genes for all patterns.

I don´t understand it^^

You would say 50% will be Raptors and the rest must not be Aptors het Raptor?
I mean an Raptor is an Aptor with rubys right? So wouldn´t it bring Aptor or Raptor as offsprings? Or do I have a chance on cool jungle offsprings too?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

It depends on the parents, really. Half will be Ruby Eyed, and half will be het Ruby Eyed, but they may not all be "Aptors".

Lets say they both are "Aptors", you should get mostly Aptors, but... I have hatched Jungles, Stripes, and Reverse Stripes from "Patternless" parents too, because they carry all of those patterns too.

My first breeding on the R/Aptor project was Aptor het Raptor X Reverse Stripe het Raptor, and I hatched one of the first Ruby Eyed Jungle Albinos from that pair.

 

[supperl]

Ohh okay. Good to know that I thought for example breeding Aptor to Raptor would give 100% aptor het Raptor cause Aptors and Raptors are the same(besides the eyes).
I thought it could be same like pairing a Patternless Albino to a Red eyed Patternless Albino (dunno if they exist), that they all would be Patty Albinos het Ruby.

Well I´m realy looking forward to see the offsprings of that pair^^

THX for the infos^^

 

[lytlesnake]

I bred a raptor male to a couple aptor het raptor females and got some very nice raptors w/ perfect ruby eyes, a snake eye (super cool!), and some gorgeous aptors too. You can't go wrong with that pairing. If you also breed your raptor to a non-albino het raptor you can hatch all kinds of cool stripes and eclipses, rainbows, etc... Between the two aptors and the het female I got quite a nice variety.

 

[okapi]

I don´t understand it^^

You would say 50% will be Raptors and the rest must not be Aptors het Raptor?
I mean an Raptor is an Aptor with rubys right? So wouldn´t it bring Aptor or Raptor as offsprings? Or do I have a chance on cool jungle offsprings too?

You would have a higher chance of getting aptor offspring, but the R/aptor morphs are more than just an eye trait and a lack of pattern. They are a huge genetic package that includes pretty much every trait that Ron Tremper breeds.

The patternless body of R/aptors is not a simple recessive that would always breed 100% true, they are the result of selectively breeding a large group of traits togeather. And because of this, R/aptors can produce anything from banded to stripes, to reverse stripes, to jungles, to patternless stripes.

When people say "raptor" they usually are only talking about the eye color.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Actually they were not capable of producing bandeds, until they were outcrossed with other lines.

Aptor X Pattern gives all patterned geckos, but if you made "hets" with something that was not patterned(banded) you would then hatch bandeds, and have bred the banded gene into them also.

I have never bred any banded lines into our Raptor outcross project, so no bandeds are being produced from it.

 

[supperl]

ohh okay I haven´t known that.

I thought when the Aptor and the raptor have the same patternless gene to 100% they just should have offsprings with that gene and the same goes to all the other parts of that bundle.

Well doesn´t matter I will see what they will bring me^^

and I realy thought of adding an crazy looking SHTCTCH het Raptor too the groupe.
And maybe a MS Tremper het Raptor(that would be crazy if I hit the hole in the middle producing MSRaptor^^)

THX for ya helpt to everyone responding^^

 

[okapi]

Actually they were not capable of producing bandeds, until they were outcrossed with other lines.

True, but since he said raptor het, I assumed that there was an outbreeding somewhere along the line. And most people outbred their raptors into banded, albino, hybino, and SHTCT stock.

I plan on starting a banded 'raptor' project in the future (like in two seasons). I think that a banded tangerine albino (that is just as intense orange as most raptors) with solid red eyes and no hypo traits would be an amazing gecko.