Raptor Identity problems

[Uroplatus80]

Am I wrong or are way too many people calling all Tremper albino elipse "Raptors"?
Red eyed,Albino,PATTERNLESS,Tangerine,ORange.......
To be considered a raptor I feel like the gecko must be patternless.

 

[mitchrobot]

you know, i feel the same way. i dont consider a plain ol normal tremper with eclipse eyes a true raptor. gotta be patternless or striped IMO (or does that then make it a RERS?). i get stripe, patternless and normal eclipses from my breeders though, so maybe thats why the lumping. i dunno. i dont sell them all as raptors though... (i call the normal looking ones banded eclipse albinos)

 

[Quantumhigh]

Raptor X Raptor does not always produce patternless striped Raptors. Are they still Raptors? I think so just not prime examples.

The eclipse gene was unlocked by crossing striped and reverse stripe geckos. Out of this pattnerless stripe project the eclipse gene was unlocked and discovered thus producing Raptor. So all eclipses have lineage to Patternless stripe and Raptors. Please correct me if Iam off.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

Many RAPTOR crosses have patterns, like MackRaptors. Combo-morphs can be confusing. I have a sunglow raptor, no pattern, but if she had an albino spot, she would still be a sunglow raptor. Then there's the male banded raptor- sunglow enigma x RAPTOR. Sometimes it really doesn't make logical sense.

 

[roger]

Many RAPTOR crosses have patterns, like MackRaptors. Combo-morphs can be confusing. I have a sunglow raptor, no pattern, but if she had an albino spot, she would still be a sunglow raptor. Then there's the male banded raptor- sunglow enigma x RAPTOR. Sometimes it really doesn't make logical sense.

Your right it doesnt make sense.IMO a true raptor has both red eyes and no body pattern and an orange body.Any deviation from this is truly not a raptor

 

[Reddotgeckos]

Your right it doesnt make sense.IMO a true raptor has both red eyes and no body pattern and an orange body.Any deviation from this is truly not a raptor

Hmm but by definition, they only have 2 genes involved, tremper albino and eclipse, so what makes a tremper albino eclipse any different from a regular raptor, nothing much to me cuz patterns are determined by the specific gecko and geckos dont have the same pattern.

 

[SMH]

Hmm but by definition, they only have 2 genes involved, tremper albino and eclipse, so what makes a tremper albino eclipse any different from a regular raptor, nothing much to me cuz patterns are determined by the specific gecko and geckos dont have the same pattern.

They also have Patternless in the mix.
raPtor

 

[roger]

when we start to deviate from the true definition of a morph all of a sudden the morphs get hard to distinquish.Example, some ppl's Mack raptors and raptors visually are simliar to look at.There are so may variations of Raptors and mack raptors its hard to tell which is which.the only way to tell is from lineage

 

[Tony C]

They also have Patternless in the mix.
raPtor

Patternless Stripe, not Patternless. A Patternless RAPTOR is called an Ember. As far as I am concerned, a Tremper Albino Eclipse is a RAPTOR, since all Eclipses originated from Patternless Stripe lines and not all Patternless Stripes are devoid of markings I find it silly to insist on every RAPTOR being 100% unmarked. Ron Tremper seems to agree since he lists "Banded RAPTORs" on his site, if it is good enough for the originator of the morph it is good enough for me.

 

[Uroplatus80]

Tremper says they are "Banded" Raptors therefore they are different.
He is saying its a raptor with pattern.I can deal with that but just calling it a Raptor seems misleading.

 

[neubauer geckos]

I personally call a "raptor" with a lot of markings a Tremper Eclipse.If it just has a couple spots,I call it a raptor.It all really boils down to how literal you are going to take the term,and acronym,"RAPTOr".

 

[roger]

Patternless Stripe, not Patternless. A Patternless RAPTOR is called an Ember. As far as I am concerned, a Tremper Albino Eclipse is a RAPTOR, since all Eclipses originated from Patternless Stripe lines and not all Patternless Stripes are devoid of markings I find it silly to insist on every RAPTOR being 100% unmarked. Ron Tremper seems to agree since he lists "Banded RAPTORs" on his site, if it is good enough for the originator of the morph it is good enough for me.

Its also a good marketing method.The wider the variety the better the sales

 

[Tony C]

Its also a good marketing method.The wider the variety the better the sales

Very true, Abyssinians and Blancos anyone?

 

[Quantumhigh]

Very true, Abyssinians and Blancos anyone?

Indeed, people do anything for an extra dollar. Sometimes the fancy names help out by saving you from saying 'Murphy patternless tremper albino eclipse' much easier to just say 'Ember'.

Sometime they just lead to confusion like Abyssinians which is just a light colored Eclipse with line-breeding influence.

 

[Gazz]

I personally call a "raptor" with a lot of markings a Tremper Eclipse.If it just has a couple spots,I call it a raptor.It all really boils down to how literal you are going to take the term,and acronym,"RAPTOr".

The best thing to do IMO, Is we should all scrap that RAPTOR is a acronym, And build on Raptor just meaning Talbino + Eclipse, Like Radar is only in refrance to Balbino + Eclipse and Typhoon is in refrance to Ralbino + Eclipse they aren't acronym in these two albino + Eclipse traits, It would be so much esayer if we scraped that Raptor is a acronym.

Raptor banded.
Raptor aberrant.
Raptor jungle.
Raptor striped.
Raptor reverse striped.
Raptor patternless striped.

Radar banded.
Radar aberrant.
Radar jungle.
Radar striped.
Radar reverse striped.
Radar patternless striped.

Typhoon banded.
Typhoon aberrant.
Typhoon jungle.
Typhoon striped.
Typhoon reverse striped.
Typhoon patternless striped.

 

[Uroplatus80]

I think people are confusing the Tremper Patternless gene with the "Leucistic" or murphy's patternless.
Yes I know murphy's patternless are not true leucistics but some people still refer to them as leucistic

 

[Jordan]

many people get now that its not the same patternless gene. Most people dont get confused about that now.

But ive grown to think of the raptor as just tremper and eclipse. i think if the patternless stripe gene can be reproduced as a recessive gene itself, as in it is actually a recessive morph itself just like eclipse and tremper, THEN will it be genetically meaningful in the raptor combination.

 

[dustinNMpythons]

So what about the red eye part of Raptor, I recently had several people on fauna tell me that a raptor doesn't have to have red eyes which I think is wrong but with more than one person saying it I can't really dispute it. Check it out yourself and let me know if I'm wrong.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235045

 

[dustinNMpythons]

And sorry if that was against the rules hyperlinking like that, I'm just really confused about the red eye part of the raptor gene.

 

[richardrojas]

So what about the red eye part of Raptor, I recently had several people on fauna tell me that a raptor doesn't have to have red eyes which I think is wrong but with more than one person saying it I can't really dispute it. Check it out yourself and let me know if I'm wrong.

Hi Dustin, here is more info from different places

Steve Sykes geckosetc.com
http://www.geckosetc.com/htm/very_cool.htm

VMS herp
http://www.vmsherp.com/ViewLeopards.htm

From the founder of the Raptor Ron Tremper
http://www.leopardgecko.com/raptors-aptors-eclipse