Raptor parents Produce another Non Albino baby

[Neo.Reptiliac]

Ok so last year I had tons of raptors and albino het raptor babies hatch from the only pair of raptors I own; Hue and Rosie. But last year, the last clutch I hatched from them, resulted in a very strange pair of geckos. One was normal looking with 2 solid black eyes. The other was very light at first, but had almost purple eyes, then it darkened to a very dark dark baby (brown and orange).
I was stumped by the normal looking one cause by all rights Raptor x Raptor should at least give you an albino of some sort.
That one grew up to be quite an interesting looking gecko. Here's a recent photo of him below.

Now I bred him to some females this year but its been a bad year for me and the only egg Ive hatched with him as a parent, the baby died on its way out, it had too much to absorb. Here's what the baby looked like.

Now yet again, I hatched my first egg this year from the 2 raptor parents I got the one normal from last year, and the baby I just hatched, is normal looking lol. Like how the one baby I hatched last year is. This cant be a coincidence. Ive labeled everything perfectly and she's never been with any other males. Not to mention the baby from last year is so crazy looking and on top of it had a very crazy looking offspring. There has to be something going on here with the genetics in these two raptors and their offspring.
Here's a photo of the baby that just hatched today.

 

[Fencer04]

Can we see a pic of the Raptor parents?

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

Yep here's the parents.

and

 

[TranceZ]

That's odd they both must of had 1 parent that was Normal het for raptor?

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

Even if they did, that's not an every day normal het for raptor.

 

[TranceZ]

I bet if you could trace the mother and fathers parents back a generation to a generation you could figure this out. Probably the same for when people bred normal to normal and 1/10 of the babies came out albino.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

Albino's genetics just don't work like that though. Its suppose to be 100% albino when you breed 2 albinos together. And 100% hets when you breed an albino to a normal.

 

[Coby78]

Yeah, wow, albino is a recessive trait, so there should be no dominant normal gene hidden in there. Those parents must have some off genetics going on.

The first one looks really nice though.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

I'll have another egg hatching from the picture of the first one, that I hatched out last year, bred to a hyper xanthic female with reduced patterns, hatching pretty soon. In the next 5 days or so.

 

[Terrain_pull up]

Could one of the parents have a muddied up albino genes? Example, both parents carry tremper albino but maybe one also carry's bell and then sometimes in the offspring a tremper gene goes dormant and the normal looking baby is het for either type of albino strain? Not sure if what I just said makes sense or not...lol Just throwing out a theory.

The adult "normal" gecko almost looks kind of enigma to me as well

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

The father came from Ron Tremper, and the mother was hatched from parents that came from Ron Tremper. I got her from a man here on the forum named Rob (ElapidSVT) Who seems to have years more experience then me.

 

[Terrain_pull up]

interesting for sure!...lol

 

[Hankj]

Terrain, I had that thought today while I was working too.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

I agree he has a very enigma look about him. But I don't have any enigma males. So there's no chance there.

 

[TokayKeeper]

Could one of the parents have a muddied up albino genes? Example, both parents carry tremper albino but maybe one also carry's bell and then sometimes in the offspring a tremper gene goes dormant and the normal looking baby is het for either type of albino strain? Not sure if what I just said makes sense or not...lol Just throwing out a theory.

The adult "normal" gecko almost looks kind of enigma to me as well

In theory, because both parents are phenotypically expressing Tremper albino all offspring would also express the trait. The only way to trump that would have been with a parent possessing some trait dominant over the recessive albino, which doesn't logically make sense genetically as that should have been expressed in the parent or some random mutation took place. The only way this could have happened, logically to me, would have been if a heterozygous for albino animal got into the mix somehow. Which would then infer inaccurate records and observations on the part of the OP.

2 + 2 ≠ 4 here. Something fishy going on.

 

[RampantReptiles]

Its an Abyssinian?
Does it have red veins in its eyes? Does not express black on the body but rather brown spots?

fyi I am only slightly serious here...

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

Its an Abyssinian?
Does it have red veins in its eyes? Does not express black on the body but rather brown spots?

fyi I am only slightly serious here...

Na solid black eyes.

 

[miiike]

I would hope for opposite sexes in the offspring so I could breed them to each other and see what happens.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

In theory, because both parents are phenotypically expressing Tremper albino all offspring would also express the trait. The only way to trump that would have been with a parent possessing some trait dominant over the recessive albino, which doesn't logically make sense genetically as that should have been expressed in the parent or some random mutation took place. The only way this could have happened, logically to me, would have been if a heterozygous for albino animal got into the mix somehow. Which would then infer inaccurate records and observations on the part of the OP.

2 + 2 ≠ 4 here. Something fishy going on.

I don't see Ron Tremper making a mistake like that, since he only keeps the tremper albino out of all the albinos. As for Rob the man I got the mother to these from, I don't know enough about him other then he seems really knowledgeable and has way more leopard geckos then me and has kept them longer.

I personally have only 2 bell albinos, which have certainly never come into contact with either parents. And never will. I don't muddy albino lines. I've got way too much invested in my geckos to screw the lines up. And way too many years as well.

 

[Neo.Reptiliac]

I would hope for opposite sexes in the offspring so I could breed them to each other and see what happens.

I have already started doing that actually. Last year I hatched a female from the same father (raptor) to a jungle snow female. So it's a half sibling to the odd looking male I hatched from the raptors. I'm breeding her to the male. Haven't gotten any eggs from her yet but we'll see with time. Here's a picture of the female, hatched from the raptor male x jungle snow female.