RAPTOR Sunglow ??

[Nahph1]

Can anyone tell me what a raptor sunglow is. Isn't a raptor basically already a sunglow? Its a orange patternless albino right? Why is a raptor sunglow different than a normal raptor? Besides costing about $1200 more.

 

[Halley]

Well to me, they are about the same thing. I consider the raptor, RT's Sunglow. I really couldn't tell you. Maybe the one that cost $1,200, more just has nice coloring. Can you give a link to its picture?

 

[Nahph1]

I dont have a picture, I saw them for sale on Trempers big list for $1500 but there's no pic's until July.

 

[Halley]

I dont have a picture, I saw them for sale on Trempers big list for $1500 but there's no pic's until July.

I couldn't tell you then, I guess we will just have to see what they look like. I think that RT has started working with some urban sunglows. However I don't know if that information is correct. I would assume if he has, then those raptor have amazing color. If not, I have no idea, what is different about them.

 

[Harmurray]

Here is what they may look like -

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=2474

Harold

 

[godzillizard]

Raptor sunglows are very nice, but not $1200 nice, unless it's an extraordinary specimen. Some are just insane, but some are really washed out hypo looking. If the breeder used a line of sunglows that doesn't fade with age, (like sooo many Raptors) that would make them worth more to me...

Here's my favorite from the RaptorSunglow project: 11g male Aptor sunglow produced by Garrick of crestedgecko.com--I can't wait to see how this guy turns out

 

[boutiquegecko]

Can anyone tell me what a raptor sunglow is. Isn't a raptor basically already a sunglow? Its a orange patternless albino right?

http://www.theurbangecko.com/leopard_sunglow.html
that's the sunglow definition. Basically really nice super tang hypo albino with a lot of carrot tail-no pattern genes. I think urban used tremper albinos making them. If Ron is crossing them with raptors my best guess is to help raptors hold the tang color better.
A raptor is not the same though-while a true raptor might look similar in body color, the genes are different. Also the patty in raptor is not murphy's patty in case you are confused. It's a patternless reverse stripe. Hope that helps.

 

[godzillizard]

People selling their RaptorSunglows are basically saying that they took a Raptor and bred it to Sunglows to create "hets", and then next breeding season, they bred those "hets" together to create some animals that combine ALL the traits (from both morphs). You may get some very nice "super tangerine" geckos from that first year of the project, but they wouldn't be true RaptorSunglows. True raptorSunglows come from breeding two geckos that both contain the entire Raptor genetic AND all the sunglow traits. Trust me, you're going to see some INSANE RaptorSunglows this season...

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Well said, Brian!

 

[Paco]

How can you have a Patternless Reverse Stripe. Thats a contradiction. If it has a reverse stripe, it has a pattern. It can only be one or the other. It's Either Patternless no pattern, or Reverse Stripe. Can't have both people, even though it would be nice. You can have the genes for both involed with the genetics of the Leo but both traits can't exist at the same time. IMO

 

[Paco]

Same outcome

People selling their RaptorSunglows are basically saying that they took a Raptor and bred it to Sunglows to create "hets", and then next breeding season, they bred those "hets" together to create some animals that combine ALL the traits (from both morphs). You may get some very nice "super tangerine" geckos from that first year of the project, but they wouldn't be true RaptorSunglows. True raptorSunglows come from breeding two geckos that both contain the entire Raptor genetic AND all the sunglow traits. Trust me, you're going to see some INSANE RaptorSunglows this season...

You should get a similar outcome from from Breeding SHTBCT to Raptor and then Breeding the hets back to each other. You don't necessarily need the Sunglow in there.JMO All a Sunglow is is a SHTBCT Albino. Colors will come from selective breeding. Also IMO, To be a True "Sunglow" there should be NO pattern, by the definition, Other wise you have a really colorful Raptor/Albino which has the genes to produce Sunglows. JMO

 

[Halley]

How can you have a Patternless Reverse Stripe. Thats a contradiction. If it has a reverse stripe, it has a pattern. It can only be one or the other. It's Either Patternless no pattern, or Reverse Stripe. Can't have both people, even though it would be nice. You can have the genes for both involed with the genetics of the Leo but both traits can't exist at the same time. IMO

Yeah, you can have it, look at the raptors. All that it is saying is that is has a very thin reverse strip, and the rest of its body is patternless, so therefore a patternless reverse strip. I understand how it is an odd, name, but I think it is here to stay.

 

[Paco]

Still a

Yeah, you can have it, look at the raptors. All that it is saying is that is has a very thin reverse strip, and the rest of its body is patternless, so therefore a patternless reverse strip. I understand how it is an odd, name, but I think it is here to stay.

Still a contradiction.IMO I would call it a Super Hypo Reverse Stripe. Thats the correct terminology. IMO If it has a Reverse Stripe no matter how small, it has a Pattern. With that logic then a Wide Stripe with no other pattern on the body or head is a Patternless Wide Stripe. Doesn't Patternless mean NO or without/lacking pattern? Like I said before you can't have it both ways. If it has ANY pattern it not a Patternless. People using incorrect terminology and descriptions is a very big problem and should be corrected as early as possible so it does not become deeply ingrained.JMO

 

[godzillizard]

Also IMO, To be a True "Sunglow" there should be NO pattern, by the definition, Other wise you have a really colorful Raptor/Albino which has the genes to produce Sunglows. JMO

Definition? what definiton??? This makes no sense to me--all sunglows regardless of what you combine them with will have some pattern at hatch--they may as adults appear patternless but they all start life banded or jungle/stripish.

You should get a similar outcome from from Breeding SHTBCT to Raptor and then Breeding the hets back to each other.

I said sunglow because you wouldn't have to produce any wild types that way, plus I don't have a single tangerine, let alone SHTCTBs. Why not use sunglows and produce albino hets so you can see those tangerine traits better?

Still a contradiction.IMO I would call it a Super Hypo Reverse Stripe. Thats the correct terminology.

People using incorrect terminology and descriptions is a very big problem and should be corrected as early as possible so it does not become deeply ingrained.JMO

If you want to get technical, you're using the wrong terminology--it would be a hypo, not a super hypo...I think you just have to be right about something...

 

[Paco]

Like I said

Definition? what definiton??? This makes no sense to me--all sunglows regardless of what you combine them with will have some pattern at hatch--they may as adults appear patternless but they all start life banded or jungle/stripish.


I said sunglow because you wouldn't have to produce any wild types that way, plus I don't have a single tangerine, let alone SHTCTBs. Why not use sunglows and produce albino hets so you can see those tangerine traits better?


If you want to get technical, you're using the wrong terminology--it would be a hypo, not a super hypo...I think you just have to be right about something...

Like I said JMO. Thats all.

 

[boutiquegecko]

You might want to do a search on stripes, rev stripes and patternless stripes, before this turns into another stripe thread. A lot has been discussed about patternless stripes and why they exist. Dan (groovy geckos) has a great explanation of it somewhere here (actually a few times). Ptternless stripe comes down from the stripe line-they're all connected.
It was sort of a mistake to call the raptor "patternless" because it can be very confusing.

 

[Paco]

Thanks Will do.

You might want to do a search on stripes, rev stripes and patternless stripes, before this turns into another stripe thread. A lot has been discussed about patternless stripes and why they exist. Dan (groovy geckos) has a great explanation of it somewhere here (actually a few times). Ptternless stripe comes down from the stripe line-they're all connected.
It was sort of a mistake to call the raptor "patternless" because it can be very confusing.

Thanks Will do.