Shedding a little light on mass crix death

KrakenQueen

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I'm not sure if this has been discussed in the past, but I figured JUST in case, I would bring it up.

Cricket Gnats, AKA parasitic tachinid fly Ormia.
I observed mass die-offs with my crickets over a period of two years and always noticed these tiny, speedy little gnats (flies) scuttling about the containers where the crix were located. At the time, I never took any time to figure out why they were there- I just assumed they were normal gnats. I was wrong!

Months ago I took out several crickets showing odd signs, rubbing near the spiracles, back legs not working or splaying, swollen bodies and darkening of coloration. So, I took a few of these crickets and placed them in a plastic ziplock bag. A day after they died, the larva emerged, pupated and eventually became those exact same gnats/flies that would be found in the tanks. YUCK. What happens is the fly drops its eggs near the spiracle, which hatch and the larvae crawl into the spiracle and make their homes inside their cricket host, killing it.


These buggers are the worst: (Wikipedia)
"In 1975, Dr. William H. Cade discovered that the parasitic tachinid fly Ormia ochracea is attracted to the song of the male cricket, and uses it to locate the male in order to deposit her larvae on him. It was the first example of a natural enemy that locates its host or prey using the mating signal[2]. Since then, many species of crickets have been found to be carrying the same parasitic fly, or related species. In response, a mutation leaving males unable to chirp was observed amongst a population of field crickets on the Hawaiian island of Kauai."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ormia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ormia_ochracea
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/061201_quietcrickets
"Ormia ochracea is a small yellow fly, a parasitoid of crickets. It is notable because of its exceptionally acute directional hearing. The female is attracted by the song of the male cricket and deposits larvae on or around him, as was discovered in 1975 by the zoologist William H. Cade[1]. The fly is found throughout the southern the US and into Mexico, though its exact range is not known.

The mating call of the male field cricket is used by Ormia ochracea in locating the cricket. Once a female fly finds a host (male cricket) she deposits a larva which then quickly burrows into the host, emerging about 7 - 10 days later, killing the host. Flies have been observed responding to a variety of cricket songs[2], but seem to be limited to the genus Gryllidae.

Ormia ochracea has become a model organism in sound localization experiments because of its unique "ears", which are complex structures inside the fly's prothorax near the bases of their front legs. The animal is too small for the time difference of sound arriving at the two ears to be calculated in the usual way, yet it can determine the direction of sound sources with exquisite precision. The tympanic membranes of opposite ears are directly connected mechanically, allowing resolution of nanosecond time differences[3][4] and requiring a new neural coding strategy.[5] Efforts to build directional microphones based on the structure of the fly's ear are underway."



Unfortunately a lot of cricket breeders are shipping these crickets out with this parasitic insect- now, as far as I am aware the gnats aren't a problem for our pets. They're a major pest for both crickets and their relatives the roach. I lost a great deal of my roaches and crickets to the Ormia.


I managed to eventually wipe them out by culling all freshly dead and suspect crickets and roaches in the toilet. Anytime I saw the gnats I'd squash them, they tend to prefer to scuttle along the tank rather than fly.

Hope this is useful to the unaware!
 
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AvandisFifth187

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Well, I've dealt with these things before, but as far as I knew the larvae were carrion, feeding on the dead remains of the crickets. It's nice to get some good information on what they actually are.
Thanks!
 

GeckoNub

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I had loads of little flies in my roaches ages ago, i thought theyd somehow got in to eat the veggies. Once i found a dead roach with loads of the little larva things on them and threw it out. They didnt seem to fly just ran round fast. I wonder if they were the same thing.

I dunno what changed but theyve been gone for months now, maybe it was after a tub clean.

So im hoping my roaches arent infected, either way my geckos seem fine.
 

KrakenQueen

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Well, I've dealt with these things before, but as far as I knew the larvae were carrion, feeding on the dead remains of the crickets. It's nice to get some good information on what they actually are.
Thanks!

You're thinking of a different larvae which if I remember become another insect entirely.

These gnat larvae live inside the breathing spiracles of crickets and roaches until they are ready to pupate and become adults. You'll never see them unless you actually kill and open up the cricket itself- which may harbor 2-4 of these little monsters. The best way to check is to take symptomatic crickets/roaches and place them in a ziplock baggie. They'll show up in no time as gnats.

GeckoNub, that's likely them. They're fast runners and prefer to scuttle about rather than fly.
 

sunshinegeckofarm

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no wonder i have noticed a large decline in my roaches and anytime i get crickets they tend to die fast. i need to keep my roaches clean just im lazy i know im bad just im lazy. lol. i thought they were fruit flies but i guess i was wrong lol or maybe i have 2 types here cuz there is one that likes laying eggs in the CGD and then there are ones that are in the roach tub and when the crickets die i see them too. i dont know but they are nasty either way.
 

KrakenQueen

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When I first saw them I thought the same thing, "oh, fruit flies." But sadly no, they're parasitics x_x
 

Chewbecca

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UGH.

I haven't noticed these in my roach bins, and my roaches are doing fine (in fact, they're reproducing like MAD), but I'm noticing them near my crestie's cages, and I found one near one of my leo's enclosures.

I haven't seen larvae in any of the old CGD, but they seem to be like the flies you all are describing.
They'd rather run real fast than fly.

EW.
What do we do to get rid of them???
 

KrakenQueen

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UGH.

I haven't noticed these in my roach bins, and my roaches are doing fine (in fact, they're reproducing like MAD), but I'm noticing them near my crestie's cages, and I found one near one of my leo's enclosures.

I haven't seen larvae in any of the old CGD, but they seem to be like the flies you all are describing.
They'd rather run real fast than fly.

EW.
What do we do to get rid of them???

Honestly, all I did was check twice daily for both gnats and signs of infestation in feeders. With both the crickets and the roaches they will use their legs to scratch at their abdomen in discomfort, and crickets themselves will look abnormally plump with frequent abdominal movement/contraction. Crickets will also change darker and lose control of their hind legs which will generally splay outward. Eventually you'll see crickets just slow down. The ones that haven't died but show these signs, FLUSH THEM. Roaches tend to show similar symptoms, but not as obvious as crickets.

The other obvious thing is when you see the gnats, squish them on sight and remove them from the cage. Keep the cage bare, with only paper towels and water/food dish. This helps you spot the gnats. Use a flash light to blind them, I've learned they are stunned by bright light and don't move as suddenly.

Good clean hygiene, dry substrate, etc, also helps- but not by much. The flies prey on crickets, not the food they eat or expel.

As far as I know the flies/gnats don't bother with actual pets, just the feeder insects like crickets, and their relatives the roach. It takes a little while.
 

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