So should I feel sorry for this Leo?

alisonk

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I put some lovely realistic rain forest backing on the tank a few weeks ago, and poor Leo is just dying to go in there and hide under that tempting log. She keeps standing up on her back legs with her front paws on the picture trying to get in there. I feel kind of bad for her. I snapped a pic. These geckos are so entertaining sometimes (when they finally emerge from sleeping all day!)
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Does she have plenty of hides? And you know they're desert reptiles, right? >.> Not that there's anything wrong with having a tropical background, but just checking.

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Yes, she has one damp hide, one warm hide over the heater, and one cool hide. She only does this when I remove all her hides (Which I do at feeding time when I put some crickets in there - so she makes an effort to catch them instead of hiding)- so yes, she's obviously looking for a hide. Don't worry, I don't leave her hide free for too long....about 15 minutes.
I guess they are desert reptiles....I preferred the look of the forest though. Do you think she would prefer a desert scene??? ;-)
 

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Yes, she has one damp hide, one warm hide over the heater, and one cool hide. She only does this when I remove all her hides (Which I do at feeding time when I put some crickets in there - so she makes an effort to catch them instead of hiding)- so yes, she's obviously looking for a hide. Don't worry, I don't leave her hide free for too long....about 15 minutes.
I guess they are desert reptiles....I preferred the look of the forest though. Do you think she would prefer a desert scene??? ;-)
I don't think there's any need to remove her hides. She should go out and hunt without forcing her to, and that's likely just stressing her out (hence this behaviour). I feed my leo crickets in her tank without changing anything, and she goes all over the tank hunting. She only hides when she's done. Does she usually hide instead of eating? What time of the day do you feed her?

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I always feed later in the evening and my leos come out to chase crickets. If I try any other time of day they stay in their hides.
 

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I always feed later in the evening and my leos come out to chase crickets. If I try any other time of day they stay in their hides.
Yeah, that's when it's natural for them to eat. I feed as soon as I turn the light off, and mine chases them all over the tank. Even jumps when she feels the need. :)

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It is cute! When I first got William he did this all the time, always scraping one side of the tank as if he wanted to climb out. I felt sad for him.
 

alisonk

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I feed at night too...but I also heard that you shouldn't leave crickets in there that are uneaten, as they can harass the gecko and nip them. (Hence removing the hides for a short time - if I don't she takes ages to get the crickets, as they run into the hides too! I tend to prefer watching to see that she has got them all, I've also read some people have a separate 'feeding tank' for just this purpose)...She doesn't act too stressed when doing this, it looks like more inquisitiveness - like she is looking to see what that picture is all about. (but what do I know really! Do you think taking the hides out is very stressful???)...she does go after the crickets when I put them in there. Tonight I put my hand in, and she climbed right into my hand and up my arm on her own. I put her on the table and she was walking around, and gave a few things a lick. I find, with our leopard gecko anyway, that they definately have 'moods'. Sometimes I see her walking around all over the inside of the tank, very active....other times she just stays in the hide sleeping. Sometimes they feel like climbing into your hand, other times not.
 

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I feed at night too...but I also heard that you shouldn't leave crickets in there that are uneaten, as they can harass the gecko and nip them. (Hence removing the hides for a short time - if I don't she takes ages to get the crickets, as they run into the hides too! I tend to prefer watching to see that she has got them all, I've also read some people have a separate 'feeding tank' for just this purpose)...She doesn't act too stressed when doing this, it looks like more inquisitiveness - like she is looking to see what that picture is all about. (but what do I know really! Do you think taking the hides out is very stressful???)...she does go after the crickets when I put them in there. Tonight I put my hand in, and she climbed right into my hand and up my arm on her own. I put her on the table and she was walking around, and gave a few things a lick. I find, with our leopard gecko anyway, that they definately have 'moods'. Sometimes I see her walking around all over the inside of the tank, very active....other times she just stays in the hide sleeping. Sometimes they feel like climbing into your hand, other times not.
I can't see how it would at all a good idea to remove all cover from the entire habitat of such a small animal that's evolved knowing it's a prey animal and their entire lives rely on having plenty of places to hide from predators. Bit like putting a person out into the middle of the highway and expecting them to not be stressed imo. Yes, uneaten crickets that aren't provided with something to munch on might bother the gecko. But I would think feeding only a few at a time or removing any extras when she's done or putting something in there for the crickets to eat would be better ways to deal with that. When I feed my leo, I give her a certain number, and if she's still hunting, I give her a few more (1-3, depending on size), and keep doing that until she stops hunting. Very occasionally one or two will be leftover, but I've never seen them bother her because they're normally too busy hiding themselves. I just don't personally think forcing something that knows it needs hides to survive to be out in the open and not allowing them anywhere to go is a good idea. And it trying so hard to get through the glass doesn't seem like a relaxed, content behaviour for a leo to exhibit.

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take notice

I second that, I will add that other websites refering to leopard gecko information commonly mention that the most common causes of death in leopard geckos are diseases from lack of cleanliness, and STRESS from captive habitat and handling habits. Take that into account when making your decisions with your leopard gecko.


I can't see how it would at all a good idea to remove all cover from the entire habitat of such a small animal that's evolved knowing it's a prey animal and their entire lives rely on having plenty of places to hide from predators. Bit like putting a person out into the middle of the highway and expecting them to not be stressed.

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alisonk

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Ok, point taken. Thanks for the info. I will not be taking out her hides anymore. And if she does this even with her hides in the tank...do you think she's still stressed? Could the picture on the backing be a bad idea?
 

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Ok, point taken. Thanks for the info. I will not be taking out her hides anymore. And if she does this even with her hides in the tank...do you think she's still stressed? Could the picture on the backing be a bad idea?
Does she still do it with the hides in? Because I don't think it's likely that she would.

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