SSblizzard and Snow blizzard confusion?

[DAWNoftheLEO]

This is posted from an unnamed breeders website..

Blizzard Mack Snow Leopard Geckos
Blizzard and Mack Snow combined. Pale grey appearing blizzards as hatchlings, but with very dark black eyes! In fact, some of these (in group -) may be Blizzard Mack Super Snows, we are uncertain how to separate them as hatchlings. There's a 50/50 chance either way on that. Use these to create the Blizzard Mack 'Super' Snow!Many of ours will be from various outcrosses to other mutations, and may be priced higher if the genetics involved warrant it. Click here to learn more/see adults.

The part in the bold concerns me, as I asked if any of them had solid black eyes, the response was..

"Eyes in all specimens from group - have developed some color, in small irregular patches often called snake-eyed by other breeders. Many other breeders have reported this and it leaves room for doubt regarding whether they are supers or just macks. Being the ethical type, I'll just sell them as macks and not worry about it. Most agree that there may some interaction with the oddly dark eyes normally present in blizzards (themselves so often being snake-eyed as well) making distinction between super and mack blizzards difficult, or perhaps impossible. The sole exception is -()-, which has normal appearing eyes and may in fact simply be a blizzard that is mislabeled. Or that one could be a mack blizzard and the others are all supers, nobody seems to know for sure yet, it's all too new! -()-will likely just be relabeled as a $50 blizzard and sold off, then I don't have to worry about it. "

The thing is, I'm not trying to bring anyone down or hurt anyone, I just want some clarification and input of others. I was treated very rudely for asking legit questions (which I will not post). The whole 50/50 seems to me like an upsell kind of thing.
If he moved a snow blizzard once priced at $200 to a $50 normal blizzard (because of my inquries), it makes me feel very wary to deal with them, the individual typed very condescending to me. I dont feel too safe buying a snow blizzard, when in fact it could just be a blizzard or blazing blizzard.

As, far as I know all but 1 SS has been produced or made public that does not exhibit solid eyes. Even if it is a SS blizzard.( correct me if I'm wrong ).

 

[Geckoreo]

I guess this breeder is speaking of genetics when he says 50/50.
If I crossed my SSB with a double het then out of all the blizzards I hatch, half of them will be SSB.

Homozygous Snowc, Homozygous Blizzardd,
x
Het. Snowc, Het. Blizzardd,
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25% Het. Snowc, Het. Blizzardd,
25% Het. Snowc, Homozygous Blizzardd,
25% Homozygous Snowc, Het. Blizzardd,
25% Homozygous Snowc, Homozygous Blizzardd,

But then again, I dont know if the breeder in question used a different pairing.

My super snow blizzard is proven to be 100% homozygous for both traits. I have produced 100% mack snow babies and 100% blizzard babies when crossed to single homozygous morphs.

From crossing my Super Snow Blizzard to a blazing blizzard, all of my babies had solid eyes and non of them were in the super form.

As babies a SSB and a MSB look similar, but after a couple of days the SSB develops a distinct dorsal stripe which is lighter then the rest of its body color.

Plus Mack Snow Blizzards(non supers) grow slight hints of yellow as they age.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I`de say if none of the geckos have solid black eyes, they are probably not SS Blizzards. There is no way around the fact, "snake eyed" Super Snows are something that is rare.

 

[DAWNoftheLEO]

I guess this breeder is speaking of genetics when he says 50/50.

But then again, I dont know if the breeder in question used a different pairing.

Supposed 1.1 snow double het tremper and blizzard.

I just feel kind of like the 50/50 SS remark, is up selling his snow blizzards when in fact he changed a snow blizzard to a blizzard due to my questioning, as well the lack of NON solid eyed Super Snows of any combo. HOw many SS are in the world now?

 

[Nigel4less]

Supposed 1.1 snow double het tremper and blizzard.

I just feel kind of like the 50/50 SS remark, is up selling his snow blizzards when in fact he changed a snow blizzard to a blizzard due to my questioning, as well the lack of NON solid eyed Super Snows of any combo. HOw many SS are in the world now?

Too many lol :main_thumbsup:

 

[okapi]

I personally think that the breeder is being very fair by selling all geckos from that pairing at the price of mack snow blizzards when there is a 50/50 chance that each of them is actually a super snow blizzard. Nothing in what you have quoted is condescending. They simply explained that they (and everyone else for that matter) doesnt know exactly what is going on with the eyes of the geckos produced in SS blizzard projects.
You have to take into account that blizzards have their own eye trait going on that could have something to do with all of this.
None of the experts know what is what. They are in new territories.
I personally found the breeder in question to be very helpful when I was setting up my blazing blizzard project.

If you want -()-, then just buy it when they move it to their blizzard section.

"As, far as I know all but 1 SS has been produced or made public that does not exhibit solid eyes. Even if it is a SS blizzard.( correct me if I'm wrong )."

As far as you know, all but 1 ss produced did not exhibit solid eyes? what? :main_robin:

 

[DAWNoftheLEO]

I personally think that the breeder is being very fair by selling all geckos from that pairing at the price of mack snow blizzards when there is a 50/50 chance that each of them is actually a super snow blizzard.

"Mack Snow x Mack Snow yields 1/4 Normal, 1/2 Mack Snow, 1/4 Mack Super Snow offspring." Is this false? Please correct me, if so, this is more about understanding.
{EMAIL piece from breeder} "Only thing I can say, is that all of the - group animals have the genetic potential to be any of several types as the parents are Macks, DH for BB, and that all of the ones we just discussed hatched with solid black eyes. Most have now developed very little (less than 1/4) color in an eye."

Would that not only be a 25% chance of SS?

Nothing in what you have quoted is condescending.

I just want some clarification and input of others. I was treated very rudely for asking legit questions (which I will not post).

If you want -()-, then just buy it when they move it to their blizzard section.

I'm not sure if I want to buy from a breeder who breeds more than just geckos, and cant tell a blizzard from snow blizzard nor SS blizzard.

"As, far as I know all but 1 SS has been produced or made public that does not exhibit solid eyes. Even if it is a SS blizzard.( correct me if I'm wrong )."

As far as you know, all but 1 ss produced did not exhibit solid eyes? what? :main_robin:

JMG reptile, no?

 

[okapi]

As, far as I know all but 1 SS has been produced or made public that does not exhibit solid eyes. Even if it is a SS blizzard.( correct me if I'm wrong )."

As far as you know, all but 1 ss produced did not exhibit solid eyes? what?

JMG reptile, no?

all BUT one ss produced did not have black eyes?

I think you ment it the other way around, thats why I was asking.

"Mack Snow x Mack Snow yields 1/4 Normal, 1/2 Mack Snow, 1/4 Mack Super Snow offspring." Is this false? Please correct me, if so, this is more about understanding.
{EMAIL piece from breeder} "Only thing I can say, is that all of the - group animals have the genetic potential to be any of several types as the parents are Macks, DH for BB, and that all of the ones we just discussed hatched with solid black eyes. Most have now developed very little (less than 1/4) color in an eye."

Based on what I saw (50/50 chance) I was guessing that it was SS DH BB X Mack DH BB. Sorry.

(which I will not post).

Ah. didnt see that part. Sorry