still catching up with new morphs

[yellermelon]

Hey Im still learning on these newer morphs. I was wondering what the genetic difference between APTOR and RAPTOR are? I know the raptors have the ruby eyes...but could you put 2 aptors together or a aptor with a raptor? Ive read trempors site...mabey im just not seeing it? And im not even trying to figure out the eclipse gene..lol I think its mainly a eye trait?
Also, since all me leos are still to small for breeding this year, I did order 2 that were of breeding size and age. I think i may place them together to see how "I" do with the breeding thing, remember its been years since i last ket leos and i only had one breeding pair then lol. I think a mack male and a trempor sunglow would make some cool offspring. 50% macks and some albino hets right? where would the tangerine go?lol Thanks for everyones help.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Aptor is just the pattern and Albino-Eclipse(called "Raptor"), is when they have red eyes. Eclipse is just non-albino.

If you bred a Raptor to an Aptor, you should hatch both.

 

[Gazz]

That why it so confusing the name RAPTOR i think should be bined you have a APTOR with red eye so just ruby eyed APTOR same with the eclipse people are useing it to name the hole leo when the only thing eclipse on a eclipse is the eyes.So you have;

APTOR
Ruby eyed APTOR.
Snake eyed APTOR.

Eclipse eyed patternless redstipe.
Snake eyed patternless redstripe.

Eclipse eyed jungle,Snake eyed jungle.
Eclipse eyed striped,Snake eyed striped.
Eclipse eyed reverse striped,Snake eyed reverse striped.

So when you breed them for eample if you have a ?eclipse? with a jungle pattern to a jungle the true term is;

Eclipse eyed jungle X jungle = jungle and what ever else you may get all het eclipse eye.

NOT

Eclipse X jungle = jungle what ever else you may get all het eclipse.

 

[eyelids]

I think a mack male and a trempor sunglow would make some cool offspring. 50% macks and some albino hets right? where would the tangerine go?lol Thanks for everyones help.

All of the offspring would be het Tremper.

 

[SaSobek]

gazz a RAPTOR is a RAPTOR its all in the name

RAPTOR tells you in the name that it has red eyes.

R ed eyed Albino Patternless Tremper ORange

you take away the R you take away the Red eyes what you have left is a APTOR or an Albino Patternless Tremper ORange

i do not think that the APTOR, the RAPTOR or the ECLIPSE should be renamed at all. The APTOR its self although not named at the time was the first one. then came the RAPTOR wich is just one more added trait (the eyes) then came the Eclipse (2 days after the Raptor) that is why i dont like calling a RAPTOR an albino Eclipse. because in my eyes a RAPTOR is a RAPTOR. it is the same trait. but in the ease of calling things names we go with the shortest thing and albino eclipse just dosent make any sence to me. i mean think of an eclipse and what it looks like it is black blocking out light weather it be the moon blocking the sun or the earth blocking the light to the moon thats why it just dosent make sence to add all the extra stuff. most eclipse and most Raptors look alike there realy isnt alot of difference to be throughing all of the words like jungle in there as far as i know there has been only one or two jungles that have the eye pigment (right groovy)


the way you say it Gazz i think it would make it more confusing for every one i think that we should just know what things mean i know there are alot of different things floating around as far as morphs go but i think all breeders that have these things are more then willing to explain what you are getting.

as far as the snake eyed thing goes most breeders will tell you if the eyes are not solid i believe it is just something that should be added to the raptor/eclipse name. if the animal is a snake eyed Raptor they will usualy tell you how much pigment is in each eye.

these are just my thoughts on things.

but about the first question yes raptor to aptor you could get both and actualy raptor to raptor you could get both and aptor to aptor you could get both

 

[Gazz]

gazz a RAPTOR is a RAPTOR its all in the name

RAPTOR tells you in the name that it has red eyes.

R ed eyed Albino Patternless Tremper ORange

you take away the R you take away the Red eyes what you have left is a APTOR or an Albino Patternless Tremper ORange

i do not think that the APTOR, the RAPTOR or the ECLIPSE should be renamed at all. The APTOR its self although not named at the time was the first one. then came the RAPTOR wich is just one more added trait (the eyes) then came the Eclipse (2 days after the Raptor) that is why i dont like calling a RAPTOR an albino Eclipse. because in my eyes a RAPTOR is a RAPTOR. it is the same trait. but in the ease of calling things names we go with the shortest thing and albino eclipse just dosent make any sence to me. i mean think of an eclipse and what it looks like it is black blocking out light weather it be the moon blocking the sun or the earth blocking the light to the moon thats why it just dosent make sence to add all the extra stuff. most eclipse and most Raptors look alike there realy isnt alot of difference to be throughing all of the words like jungle in there as far as i know there has been only one or two jungles that have the eye pigment (right groovy)


the way you say it Gazz i think it would make it more confusing for every one i think that we should just know what things mean i know there are alot of different things floating around as far as morphs go but i think all breeders that have these things are more then willing to explain what you are getting.

as far as the snake eyed thing goes most breeders will tell you if the eyes are not solid i believe it is just something that should be added to the raptor/eclipse name. if the animal is a snake eyed Raptor they will usualy tell you how much pigment is in each eye.

these are just my thoughts on things.

but about the first question yes raptor to aptor you could get both and actualy raptor to raptor you could get both and aptor to aptor you could get both

We'll just have to agree to diagree i know what RAPTOR stans for but the red eye is just a added plus to the APTOR that's all same as carrot tail on a super hypo tangerine.I mean when that tremper get swap for a bell or rainwater (RAPBOR or RAPROR) that names bugger when the red eye common pratis buggered again you going to start calling normal albino leo RNA ?when the day happens.I may even start calling them calling them Albino patternless redstrpes as that all they are i always suspected it was along the redstripe line somewhere.Sorry but not a fan of unneeded fancy names if you breed a dog with Jade eye you going to call them JD,Jade eye dog.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I dont think they should be renamed, and that has never been our intention. The problem, is the "acronym". It stinks! LOL It is leading people to believe all types of nonsense. The author of this thread, for example says something about the Eclipse like it was a different morph or something. A "Raptor" is the same exact morph only Albino. Having more than one name is what is causing the confusion IMO. To keep things very simple, It should be "Red Eye" or "Eclipse" + (insert pattern).

Just like saying if you said it is a "Red Eyed APTOR", the word "Aptor" only denotes the pattern.

Here is my reasoning: The eye mutation itself is called "Eclipse" not Raptor, that is just a name used for MARKETING(I mean it is not even a real acronym, just a stupid name), we know this, and there are going to be "Raptors" in other patterns etc, meaning the "acronym" would no longer fit. Instead of calling the something that makes no sense like "Jungle Raptor" or "Red Stripe Raptor", and to reduce chance of confusion, the word Raptor should not be used unless the gecko is a "Patternless" and obviously also has the red eyes.

Also the fact we have proven the "Aptor-patternless" is the same thing as the "Patternless Stripe/Red Stripes" it is now very safe to call it Patternless Stripe. I have to say it is a much much better name than just plain "Patternless", we allready had the "Murphy`s" afterall.

I am just going with what is proper in terms of description, genetics etc, so I will use the terms:

Red Eye Jungle Albino/Jungle Eclipse

Red Eye Patternless Stripe/Patternless Stripe Eclipse AKA "Eclipse Patternless Designer" (Rons name)

Red Eye Red Stripe/Red Stripe Eclipse

 

[Gazz]

I dont think they should be renamed, and that has never been our intention. The problem, is the "acronym". It stinks! LOL It is leading people to believe all types of nonsense. The author of this thread, for example says something about the Eclipse like it was a different morph or something. A "Raptor" is the same exact morph only Albino. Having more than one name is what is causing the confusion IMO. To keep things very simple, It should be "Red Eye" or "Eclipse" + (insert pattern).

Just like saying if you said it is a "Red Eyed APTOR", the word "Aptor" only denotes the pattern.

Here is my reasoning: The eye mutation itself is called "Eclipse" not Raptor, that is just a name used for MARKETING(I mean it is not even a real acronym, just a stupid name), we know this, and there are going to be "Raptors" in other patterns etc, meaning the "acronym" would no longer fit. Instead of calling the something that makes no sense like "Jungle Raptor" or "Red Stripe Raptor", and to reduce chance of confusion, the word Raptor should not be used unless the gecko is a "Patternless" and obviously also has the red eyes.

Also the fact we have proven the "Aptor-patternless" is the same thing as the "Patternless Stripe/Red Stripes" it is now very safe to call it Patternless Stripe. I have to say it is a much much better name than just plain "Patternless", we allready had the "Murphy`s" afterall.

I am just going with what is proper in terms of description, genetics etc, so I will use the terms:

Red Eye Jungle Albino/Jungle Eclipse

Red Eye Patternless Stripe/Patternless Stripe Eclipse AKA "Eclipse Patternless Designer" (Rons name)

Red Eye Red Stripe/Red Stripe Eclipse

That just the way i like it thing saying just whats in the tin plane and boaring .Me personly could live with with out RED EYED thing coz when you put albino and eclipse in the same sentance that say's red eye to me eclipse eyed albino patternless redstripe !easy.coz when you say red eye trying to explane what a :main_thumbsdown: RAPTOR:main_thumbsdown: is to some people there reply is ofcorse they have red eyes there albino !aren't they and your standing there yes they are albino and have red eyes BUT yar de yar:main_yes: .

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Ruby Eye then, same thing anyways. You know what I mean.

 

[yellermelon]

Well, sorry to start a ruckus! lol But i did learn alittle more from you all thanks!

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I get what you're saying, Gazz. It either is an Albino Eclipse, or it's not. I agree. I won't be using "red eye" or "ruby eye" not only because IMO it sounds lame, but people are thinking red-eye and eclipse in themselves are different.