Sunglow - What is it?

[AcidicAngel]

I've been a bit confused lately, after watching BHB's latest video they said Sunglow is always super hypo tremper. I've always been under the impression that there are two "Sunglow's". The "true" Sunglow(Super Hypo Tremper) and the "selectively bred" one - Patty Stripe or something along those lines.

The reason I ask is that we have a Sunglow RAPTOR male who we bred with our Blood x G-project(so, Tang right?). From this pairing we got 2x APTOR's, 1x Tremper and 1x Normal. However, if Zeus(Sunglow RAPTOR) was a "true" Sunglow, all his offspring would be Hypo at least, right? So... Are all his offspring Hypo instead of what we originally thought? I understand I ask a lot of morph questions but I like to get things as right as possible so knowing if they are in fact Hypo's(Hypo Tremper, etc.) would really help. Younger pictures can be provided if needed but these are the most recent good photo's I have.
I'm not even sure if you can tell a Hypo APTOR from a Patty-Stripe APTOR lol. But I'll post photo's of those too.

All these photo's are from the 28th Jan unfortunately as that's when I got good photo's of them all from above or showing their dorsal patterning because I borrowed a good camera from college..

APTOR #1 - Male.

APTOR #2 - Female.

Tremper Albino(now in a new home) - Female.

Normal - Male ~ His spots are fading more and more each day. I got a fresh one of him today to show how much his spots have faded. 28th January 2015.

5th March 2015.

The rest haven't changed much apart from colours intensifying and the Tremper has started developing red stripes down the sides of her head and neck.

And since these are all from one set of parents - Here's the parents! Once again, pictures from 28th January 2015 but no change in colours or anything since then.

Sunglow RAPTOR - Male.

Blood x G-Project - Female.

I don't have grandparents pictures but I do have the genetics.

Sunglow RAPTOR's parents:-
RAPTOR het Blizzard x Sunglow Tremper het Eclipse

Blood x G-Project's parents:-
Blood het Tremper, Eclipse x G-Project het Tremper

 

[Music City Geckos]

now, I haven't seen this new video from BHB but yes, a Sunglow is a shtct albino. There isn't Sunglow RAPTOR's you have one or the other. All of your offspring from that pairing would not be hypo because your g project isn't hypo. The only difference between APTOR and RAPTOR is the red eye. Also, that last male is kinda throwing me off. Did either of you breeder stock have w&y in it? Maybe a het?

 

[cowana]

Thought you may find this interesting since I just happened to have the link for someone else asking what a Sunglow is...

http://www.theurbangecko.com/leopard-geckos/sunglow

If I am correct The Urban Gecko developed the Sunglow morph.

 

[Ryder5406]

That male definitely looks white and yellow to me. If you look at the calculator it looks just like the baby pictured on the site.

 

[Music City Geckos]

I was thinking either a little w&y or a touch of snow. Not sure though. He is deffinately not a normal though.

 

[AcidicAngel]

now, I haven't seen this new video from BHB but yes, a Sunglow is a shtct albino. There isn't Sunglow RAPTOR's you have one or the other. All of your offspring from that pairing would not be hypo because your g project isn't hypo. The only difference between APTOR and RAPTOR is the red eye. Also, that last male is kinda throwing me off. Did either of you breeder stock have w&y in it? Maybe a het?

So you can't have Sunglow RAPTOR? That's what our boy was sold as "Sunglow RAPTOR 50% poss het Blizzard" and his parents genetics are listed in my main post. I know the difference between RAPTOR and APTOR is the Eclipse gene, APTOR's don't show it though both ours are het Eclipse. No W&Y, het W&Y not possible and none of them are visual.

Edit: The reason I said "Wouldn't all the offspring be Hypo at least" is because Hypo is Co-Dom, right? And Super Hypo is the super form. That's what the leopard gecko calculator says anyway when I put "Hypo[2C]" which I have assuemd means "Hypo[2 copies]" which means two Hypo genes in one animals. Sort of like in Royals, Super Pastel x Normal = 100% Pastel.

That male definitely looks white and yellow to me. If you look at the calculator it looks just like the baby pictured on the site.

I was thinking either a little w&y or a touch of snow. Not sure though. He is deffinately not a normal though.

There is no W&Y in any of our stock at all.

I can go back to the pairs parents(so the grandparents of the offspring) and there is no snow or W&Y in any of them.

"Sunglow" RAPTOR's parentage:-
RAPTOR het Blizzard x Sunglow Tremper het Eclipse.

Blood x G-Project's parentage:-
Blood het Tremper, Eclipse x G-Project het Tremper.

So the pair is as follows.
Male:- "Sunglow" RAPTOR 50% poss het Blizzard.

Female:- Blood x G-Project het Tremper 50% poss het Eclipse.

Offspring are.

#1 Male:- APTOR het Eclipse.
#2 Female:- APTOR het Eclipse.
#3 Female:- Tremper Albino het Eclipse.
#4 Male:- Normal het TAlbino, Eclipse.

No W&Y, no Snow.

Another edit: Thought maybe newly hatched pictures of the "Normal" and the Tremper may help.

The Tremper hatched first on the 5th November 2014.

The Normal hatched second on the 6th November 2014 - Excuse the funny leg at the front, he was in the middle of turning round lol.

And together for a quick comparison photo.

 

[Music City Geckos]

Well tbh, for your Sunglow RAPTOR to be a true RAPTOR it would have to be orange/tangerine. If he is an eclipse, the technically he is an Eclipse Sunglow het Blizzard. The reason I asked about the w&y is I see that you are from the UK. Quite a few of the original w&y' swerve sold to the UK from Russia when they were first introduced. The initial project for them was to The G Project. That gecko has high white sides and spotting consistent with a w&y. The babies can't have 2 copies of hypo on them because that blood g project isn't a hypo. That's were your "normal" came from. Also the babies would be het for blizzard as well.

 

[AcidicAngel]

Well tbh, for your Sunglow RAPTOR to be a true RAPTOR it would have to be orange/tangerine. If he is an eclipse, the technically he is an Eclipse Sunglow het Blizzard. The reason I asked about the w&y is I see that you are from the UK. Quite a few of the original w&y' swerve sold to the UK from Russia when they were first introduced. The initial project for them was to The G Project. That gecko has high white sides and spotting consistent with a w&y. The babies can't have 2 copies of hypo on them because that blood g project isn't a hypo. That's were your "normal" came from. Also the babies would be het for blizzard as well.

I never said the babies had two copies.... I said Super Hypo is two copies and if Sunglow is Super Hypo then ALL babies have one copy of the Hypo gene - Hypo.
Which means all babies are Hypo - Unless he is not Super Hypo which means he is a RAPTOR not a Sunglow.
I think you got Sunglow and RAPTOR mixed up too, The Urban Gecko(who produced the Sunglow) say that Sunglow is a deep intense orange with high carrot tail. He's yellow-ish orange with carrot tail and markings on his head(faint but there).

He's also only 50% poss het Blizzard, not proven(or disproven) until he's paired with our DB female this year(when she ovulates, that's our current problem - No ovulations) so at the moment his offspring are something along the lines of 33% poss het or my maths is off and they are less than that lol.