Tail Kink?

[Mack Leo Boy]

I may be planning on buying this ghttp://geckoforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3511&stc=1&d=1167865263ecko. But does it have a tail kink?

 

[Mack Leo Boy]

I messed up on the getting the picture on

 

[Kotsay1414]

It doesn't appear to. I'm sure if you asked Dan (GroovyGeckos), he'd tell you.

 

[BalloonzForU]

Amir, what makes you ask about a tail kink in this Leo?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Hi Amir, Tail kink where? I will check him over if you like, Im certain he has nothing anyone would consider a tail kink though.

We outcrossed our Macks to some huge Tremper Albinos, then bred our het to unrelated geckos a second time. Thats when we used Tremper Reverse Stripe Albinos, and Giant Stripe/Jungle Albinos.

That male came from the Reverse Stripe, and the two females I am selling, each came from a different Stripe/Jungle Albino mother. The Reverse Stripe Albino is not related to either of the Giant Stripe/Jungle Albinos I used either.

Which would make a great breeder male, or trio, to use for breeding as they have some very diverse blood now. Not sure if you were interested in the females, but they can make all sorts of different patterns, possibly even "Patternless" and "Eclipse"-eyed, Macks, Supers, Albinos, Hets, etc. if bred to that male.

Stripe X Reverse Stripe is what is responsible for the "Patternless" (like the APTOR) morph. The trio carries the genes for each, so anything is possible

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I don't see any tail kink on the gecko.

 

[Ian S.]

I don't see a kink at all!!
Just one beautiful leo!

 

[Mack Leo Boy]

Sorry everyone I'm new at leopard geckos and I didn't exactly know what a tail kink was.

 

[Mack Leo Boy]

What exactly is a tail kink? Can I see some pictures of a tail kink.

 

[eyelids]

This guy has a kinked tail...

View attachment 3517

 

[tdemp]

is there anything wrong with a gecko having a kinked tail?

 

[Kotsay1414]

is there anything wrong with a gecko having a kinked tail?

It isn't favored for breeding purposes because it doesn't look good compared to one without a kink. Aside from that, they make great pets.

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That's a beautiful snow, sorry about the kink.

 

[eyelids]

It isn't favored for breeding purposes because it doesn't look good compared to one without a kink. Aside from that, they make great pets.

420 -

That's a beautiful snow, sorry about the kink.

Thanks! I may use him as a breeder, but I really don't want it passed on to his offspring so... Anybody know if this is genetic?

 

[BalloonzForU]

Thanks! I may use him as a breeder, but I really don't want it passed on to his offspring so... Anybody know if this is genetic?

It can be caused from linebreeding without outcrossing, and sometimes due to a mishap in incubation, and maybe mom's overall health while developing the eggs.

 

[eyelids]

It can be caused from linebreeding without outcrossing, and sometimes due to a mishap in incubation, and maybe mom's overall health while developing the eggs.

Well dad is from Kelli and mom came from Mark Bell. Mark probably doesn't outcross very often so maybe that's the case. My incubators are controlled with Helix DBS-1000 thermostats and he was incubated at a constant 87-88 degrees. So if it's from incubation it wasn't caused from an external issue. Mom weighed 70+ grams before breeding and bounces back very well after laying; usually gaining back the lost weight plus a few grams a week after laying. The average weight loss after laying is between 6-8 grams and like I said, a week later she'd gain that back plus a few.

So you're pretty much saying that tail kinking isn't genetic, but likely caused from external factors? Would you use him as a breeder?

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Tail kinks in patternless are genetic.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

It is thought to be possibly genetic as far as I know, so I would not use a kink tail, or even a gecko that throws kink tails in a project like this.

I dropped my Patternless Mack/Super project, AND did not testbreed my Mack for Patternless, because the TPA female I had made a kinky-tail PA. I just could`nt chance having it pop up later.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Tail kinks in patternless are genetic.

There have been Patternless lines introduced into the Macks. I would think it is possible for the Patternless to be bred out of the mix, while the tail kink issues remain.

Not only "good" traits, we breed for, can be strengthened, the bad ones can too.

 

[BalloonzForU]

So you're pretty much saying that tail kinking isn't genetic, but likely caused from external factors? Would you use him as a breeder?

No it CAN be genetic, I just wanted to point out that there are other causes too.

 

[eyelids]

Thanks Felicia, Marcia and Dan! I will NOT be using him. Well maybe I'll do some testing with a control group... JUST KIDDING LMAO!