Tremper patternless???

[Country Gecko]

I was just reading RT's book and noticed that the patternless morph he used in the APTOR, etc. is one he says he came up with in his own breeding groups. Is this a recessive patternless morph or a line-bred trait? There is a picture of the one that he used to add the patternless genes to the APTOR but it has plenty of black spotting on the head.
Kind-of confused and any replies would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Glenn

 

[Gazz]

I beleave he's reffering to designer patternless-AKA-patternless red stripe/patternless stripe-AKA-non albino APTOR witch is pretty much striped + tangerine + bit of selective breeding.Not the murphy patternless witch is recessive.

 

[Nigel4less]

I think thats what the PTORs are.

 

[Country Gecko]

If got another question...

Do any of you know why RT chose to breed the jungle "and" patternless morph into the APTOR project?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Patternless Stripes aka Aptors come from the other patterns. You have to breed Reverse Stripes to Jungles or Stripes in order to get the Patternless types. So I am not sure what you mean by "bred jungle and patternless into".

The "Aptor" is a "Patternless", and they are related to Jungles, there really is no way to have one without the other. I mean they display one gene, but they are "het" for pretty much everything else(related to the line).

 

[Country Gecko]

Thanks for clarifying that Dan!

I was not aware that the patternless was produced that way. I originally saw it as breeding the equivelent of a Murphy patternless to a jungle or other visual pattern and just could'nt figure out how the patternless did'nt just clear out all patterning from the jungle, etc. So naturally I did'nt understand the importance of the jungle in this case.

So, a stripe bred to a reverse stripe produces patternless, right! But is it true as well that the reverse stripe and jungle also produce a patternless?

Thanks a lot for your help!
Glenn

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Oh OK. No not the Murphy`s Patternless, that is a different simple recessive gene.

All of the patterns including the Patternless Stripe(newer and "better" name for what Ron callled just Patternless) seem to be co-(operating) recessive traits. That is what they call it when they produce a "new" type like that.

We found that alot of Red Stripe X Reverse Stripe offspring were what are now called "Patternless Red Stripes", and they even produce the Eclipse morph when bred together. Our geckos that made the PRS were not related to Aptors, but now we have found that it must be the Patternless Stripe that is responsible for the Eclipse.

it true as well that the reverse stripe and jungle also produce a patternless?

I think that the Jungle and Stripe gene is pretty much the same, and Jungles should be able to make the Patternless types also.

 

[Country Gecko]

Huge thanks again Dan...

There is a picture of the "patternless" in RT's book that he used to start the APTOR project (if I'm not mistaken). I don't have the book right now but it looks like a plain old hypo with a spotless back and plenty of spotting on it's head. I believe this particular leo was added to the mix before the combination of stripes and reverse stripes, etc. Do you know if that leo was anything more than a hypo?

Thanks again,
Glenn

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I think it is a Patternless Stripe. Ron does not tell how it was really made, but we found that Stripe X Reverse Stripe makes the Patternless types. I have no reason to believe, that Ron`s came about any differently.

He has a picture of a Patternless Stripe? I do not have the book. If that is what it is, that was probably one of the first Patternless Stripes. The Aptor is an Albino Patternless Stripe, so Ron did not really do anything other than "find" a new pattern that comes from a combination of others. When he bred them together the Eclipse was the next "product" of the Aptor project.

 

[Country Gecko]

Hey Dan,

I don't think he calls it a "patternless stripe" but say's something like "this was the patternless used to create the APTOR. It just does'nt look like anything special.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I know, that is actually Alberto`s name for the morph. Like I said it is a newer, and "better" name for "Patternless". Patternless is the Murphy morph, so we now call the others Aptors or "Patternless Stripes"(for the non-albinos). To avoid this type of confusion.

Ron says that that is what he used to "create" the Aptor, but really that is all an Aptor is, is a Patternless Stripe Albino. They were not "created", it just sort of happened. The book was also written before many people, knew exactly how the genetics worked.

This is a Patternless Stripe BTW, and they can vary alot, some have a "pattern", and some do not. The gecko in the book may be fully patternless, and without any spots on the back, it can look like a normal Hypo.

 

[Country Gecko]

I think I get it now and thanks again for your replies!

 

[tangerineman]

just my two cents...

actually the pic in his book, is a really attractive patternless gecko..
IMHO, I have hatched a few PRS this year, from both eclipse pairings and from stripe x rev.stripe...and i am sure none of them will look like that.
His pic shows a full grown gecko with spots only on the head and the tail, no trace of spots on the body, very very clean looking...

I like PRS, but that pic appears to be a 'patternless' gecko selectively bred for no body spots, not just a PRS that 'popped out' by accident.
not to necessarily disagree wiuth any previous posters, just to clarify

...and say that it looks pretty sharp...haha

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Actually it is just that not all "patternless stripes" or Aptors are what we would call fully patternless. The pic is probably one of the "nicest" examples.

There are alot of types of PRS. Some are more like Reverse Stripes, some are more like Stripes, some almost appear to be both Striped, and Reverse Striped, etc. Just like Ron`s first release of Aptors, they can vary quite a bit.