Well ... crap

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I got another hatchling today, with deformities, AGAIN. I'm really feeling like a steaming pile of crap right now.

I'm pretty much convinced it must be the supplementation, though the heat problem I had isn't completely ruled out. This one has the same father as the others, but a different mother. I pretty much have zero hope for the rest of the eggs I'm waiting on.

At first, I thought the outlook was good for this one. The eyelid is malformed on one side, and not the other. I spent a good deal of time testing the bad eyelid for function. While at first, it appeared non-functional, that eye is able to close most of the way.

I found it very curious that it was so tolerant to me messing with that eyelid (I was using a fine-tipped paint brush to irritate the area above the eye). You would expect a hatchling to run like nuts, but this one stood still nearly the whole time.

I sat and observed it for quite some time. At this point I don't think the lungs are fully formed. This little guy would heave it's whole body, and severely compress it's ribs to take a breath. It was painful just to watch. I watched long enough to be sure it's not just stress, but an actual physical difficulty.

Finally, during one of the few times it did move with some vigor, I caught sight of the abdomen. I don't know what I'm looking at ... I just know it's not good.

This really, really sucks. :bigcry: I'm kicking myself because I'm fairly certain that had I had a different supplement schedule, all of these little ones would be alive and healthy. Lesson learned....I just wish like hell it didn't hurt so bad.
 

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Sorry to hear that, Shanti. It's disheartening to wait so long for them to hatch, and then have them come out malformed. I'm sure you'll figure out what happened and how to correct it.
 
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Brian O

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That sucks. Sorry to see you'r have tough times. Good luck with your future babies.
 

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Thanks guys. It's so tough to have high hopes for these little guys and then see what happens. I know I can always come here for good support.

You'd better believe I'm on a mission to fix what's wrong. I figure this season is pretty much done....a ton of my girls are ovulating, but I'm going to wait til next season. I'm hoping Santa will bring me a new incubator and thermostat. Mmmmm - Nature's Spirit. I'm also actively altering my supplement schedule for the 2 girls that are still laying. I'm highly interested to see if the eggs that come after this change will be healthy....it will kinda seal the deal on what my main problem was.
 

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Shanti, I completely understand your disheartened frustration. Give the little baby a day or two to see if it will settle in, and next season will be better given all that you have learned this time around.
 

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Shanti I feel for you dear. When I had my incubator tradgedy I had one hatch out perfect, one hatch out with no eye lids whatsoever, and one die coming out of the egg. It's been a heart breaking season thus far. As that is all that hatched out for me yet. But then I look at the 20+ eggs still cooking and I try so hard not to dwell on the past.
 

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leopardgecko95 said:
are you going to keep it or put it to sleep?

It died over night, I'm guessing due to the lung problems.

The clutchmate hatched this morning...without eyelids. :main_no: I can't tell if it's blind or not....I haven't been able to watch it long enough. They seem formed well enough. I'm seeing some slight breathing problems with this one as well, not as bad as it's sibling. Hopefully it'll clear up given a bit of time. If it can make it past the next few days, I'll keep it and hand feed it if needed.

The clutchmate didn't run or scream when I moved it from the incubating tub. Totally weird, when they are suppose to be acting like mini T-Rexs right now.

These are the last eggs I'm expecting for about another month. I've got 5 eggs left, but only 1 looks fertile. Looks like 3 healthy babies is gonna be it for me this year....unless Rio starts laying something other than duds! 8 eggs from her so far, and nothing fertile. If nothing else, you can say I learned a WHOLE LOT this season.
 
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Golden Gate Geckos

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Shanti, that's awful! I had a similar problem awhile back, and it is really heartbreaking. We are supposed to be excited when babies hatch, and instead we dread it.

All I can say is that as soon as I started using Helix controllers on all my incubators and went back to using Rep-Cal calcium and vitamins, the problems went away. I still don't know if it was temperature fluctuation of the supplementation, or the combination of both, I have had ZERO deformities or egg deaths!

Next season will be better for you... I promise!
 

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Ok, what would you guys do? This last little one is still alive, but it seems like the breathing problems have increased since this morning. I'm also finding small amounts of blood all over the tub. I'm thinking it's time to put this one down as well, but I'm so tired of having to make that choice.
 

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Dang. It sounds like he wasn't born with a fair chance, Shanti. It sucks, but I think you should send the little fella to the great gecko castle in the sky.
 

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Shanti, only you can make that decision. I will support you and empathize with whatever that decision is. I'm so sorry you have to be in this position...
 

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Thanks Paul and Marcia. Time to spend some time observing. I've probably made my choice already, just reluctant to face it. As much as I hate to do it, I will if it means ending obvious suffering.
 

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I've decided to euthanize this one. If the eyes were the only problem, I would feel differently. I was able to observe that it isn't blind, and can even blink most of the way despite the lack of upper eyelids. Unfortunately, the breathing problems are definitely worse then they were this morning. Also, like it's sibling, I can now see evidence of internal bleeding. The majority of the belly is bruised now (not that way this morning), and the blood I had seen in the tub was coming from the vent area. I doubt it would survive much longer on it's own, but I'm doing what I can to be sure it's not a prolonged death.
 
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Sarah H

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:( I am so sorry you are having such rotten luck. Poor babies, not prolonging it is the right thing to do even though it really stinks.
 

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