what kind of snake eye?

[LeopardLunatic]

what do you call it when your leo dosen't have the full front half of their eye snake eye but more like 1/3.

 

[KHGeckos]

It's still called a snake eye. You would just say 1/3rd snake eye. I've seen breeders describe their snake eyes like this.

 

[Stitch]

As long as it is not "fully" eclipsed they consider them snake eyed. Some breeders label them 1/3, 1/4, 1/2...etc. Other will do it in percentage 25%, 50%, 80%...etc. Even at 99% it's technically a snake eye.

 

[LeopardLunatic]

okay so what are the chances of my blizzard passing this on to its children?

 

[Stitch]

I don't think anyone understands how the eye trait works with Blizzards. Blizzards with snake or eclipse eyes sometimes pass it on to the offspring and sometimes don't. I think most say that if you breed 2 that have snake eyes or eclipse then you have a better chance at producing offspring with those eyes. BUT there is NO GAURANTEE.

Are you breeding two Blizzards together or hets? If not then I don't think you have a chance the offspring will have those types of eyes.

 

[LeopardLunatic]

its not breeding age yet, i dont even knoe the sex yet but when i do breed i want to breed it to my female with funky spots to see if i can get babies with said spots and then breed the hets to the blizzard. But i will be happy just knowing i bought it from a regular pet store for fairly cheap.

 

[okapi]

The two eye traits, blizzard "eclipse" and tremper eclipse are different genes. The RT eclipse we have pretty much figured out, but the blizzard eye trait is still being figured out. It just seems to randomly pop up and doesnt seem to follow any of the simple rules of genetics.

When you say eclipse/snake eyes everyone assumes that you mean the RT gene. Since they are different traits it is best to say blizzard with eclipsed/snake eyes. It can be confusing since there are two traits.

 

[LeopardLunatic]

so is that why usually you pay more for the blizzard strain than the tremper strain?

 

[okapi]

The RT eclipse gene has been mass produced by now. And its mode of inheritance is mostly understood. It is a simple recessive, although no one knows why there are snake eyes with the RT eclipse. But the blizzard trait that is similar in looks, is still not fully understood. It just seems to randomly pop up in blizzard breeding projects. And doesnt always breed true. We are at the tip of the iceburg when it comes to the mutations that affect eye colors in leopard geckos; Where as body pattern/color mutations have been out long enough that we can understand what is going on at the genetic level.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Blizzards have partially solid eyes. Eclipse have Snake Eyes. They are not the same thing, even though some people are calling the Blizzards "snake eyes". :main_rolleyes: It works sort of randomly in Blizzards, so noone can really answer your question with certainty.

Eclipse is actually an incomplete or cooperating recessive trait. These traits that "pop up" from a given genetic "combination" (cough- Aptor -cough) fit into this category.

Eclipse came out of the Aptor/Patternless Stripe project, just like the "Patternless Stripe"(Aptor) came out of Reverse Stripes(bred to Stripes).

I wonder if there are more types!

 

[Stitch]

Blizzards have partially solid eyes. Eclipse have Snake Eyes. They are not the same thing, even though some people are calling the Blizzards "snake eyes". :main_rolleyes: It works sort of randomly in Blizzards, so noone can really answer your question with certainty.

Blizzards can have both solid and "snake eyes". It's just that no one can reproduce them sonsitently since we don't know how the gene works. You will have a better chance at reproducing the RT Eclipse and Snake Eyes since we have pinpointed the gene.

I understand that some people (mostly new to the trade) think both Blizzard and RT genes work the same but they don't. Some one needs to come up with a new name for the Blizzards with the solid or partial eyes. This way it's easier to differentiate the two types.

 

[LeopardLunatic]

BSE (Blizzard Snake Eye) just tell it like it is.

 

[Stitch]

BSE (Blizzard Snake Eye) just tell it like it is.

See that's just it, we want to refrain from calling it snake eye or eclipse. This way it doesn't get confused with Ron Trempers Eclipse/Snake Eye genes. Even when people say solid eyed blizzard, some assume that it's just like the RT Eclipse genes.

 

[LeopardLunatic]

Blinders?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

See that's just it, we want to refrain from calling it snake eye or eclipse. This way it doesn't get confused with Ron Trempers Eclipse/Snake Eye genes. Even when people say solid eyed blizzard, some assume that it's just like the RT Eclipse genes.

I thought that was pretty much what I posted.

Originally Posted by GroovyGeckos.com
Blizzards have partially solid eyes. Eclipse have Snake Eyes. They are not the same thing, even though some people are calling the Blizzards "snake eyes". It works sort of randomly in Blizzards, so noone can really answer your question with certainty.


Blizzards can have both solid and "snake eyes". It's just that no one can reproduce them sonsitently since we don't know how the gene works. You will have a better chance at reproducing the RT Eclipse and Snake Eyes since we have pinpointed the gene.

I understand that some people (mostly new to the trade) think both Blizzard and RT genes work the same but they don't. Some one needs to come up with a new name for the Blizzards with the solid or partial eyes. This way it's easier to differentiate the two types.

 

[LeopardLunatic]

Actually why not call the RT eclipse gene a solar eclipse and the Blizzard gene a Lunar eclipse?:bulb2:

 

[tangerineman]

re: eclipses and eyes

like a previous person posted, sorry i don't recall the name,
the eclipse eyes are a little unpredictable.

I had snake eyes, all black eyes, and varying degrees as yet to be determined as they are changing over time...

out of 21 eggs, 16 of which have hatched...I had about 6 hatch as all black eyed eclipse, out fo those some are turning to 85% although the rest of the eye is still darker than usual.

I have also hatched eclipses with snake eyes that turned even less to like 1/3, and it's more noticeable at certain angles...
it's bizarre the way the pigment is 'floating' in the eye..