What morph(s) is my new pair of leos?

[geckogirls]

I have a pair of SHTCT's, and I also just got a pair of what I thought was tremper Albino's, but they may be bells, or one is bell and one is tremper. If anyone can help please let me know, I dont have very good pictures, but here is a few that I just took earlier today....



Males pics...

Females pictures...

both of them male on left, female on right

Female on left, male on right

Male on left, female on right

Any help would be appreciated. Also what do you look for in the eyes, since I know the eye pictures aren't very good, I may be able to look, supposedly the only way too tell tremper and bell apart is by their eyes.

Thanks

 

[paulnj]

Where did you get them....... pet store? If so, I say 95% sure both are trempers, otherwise pretty sure they are trempers.

 

[gecko breeder]

female tremper, male bell albino.

 

[geckogirls]

Where did you get them....... pet store? If so, I say 95% sure both are trempers, otherwise pretty sure they are trempers.

I got them from a guy at a reptile expo, he does own a pet shop, he didn't know anything about them, said male was a bell albino het for albino, and the female was a high yellow, which I know he was wrong about the female being a high yellow. He said an employee traded them in. I dont even know their ages.

 

[PrototypeGeckos]

Ihe didn't know anything about them, said male was a bell albino het for albino

lol, Yeah you can tell he didnt know much, haha. I would say the male was a Bell Albino and the female was a Tremper.

 

[Gazz]

To me male looks BELL-albino and female looks TREMPER-chocolate albino.

 

[eyelids]

I agree with the majority...

 

[paulnj]

I will give you that he does look bell in many ways, but I rescued a tremper(proven just recently) that looked exactly like him. I gave my rescue to a little girl and later gave her a female tremper of mine to breed to him..... 2 eggs hatched and were ALBINO

The best way to find out is to breed them together... albino and they are tremper, non albino and you have bell and tremper. Either way, cool pets

 

[geckogirls]

To me male looks BELL-albino and female looks TREMPER-chocolate albino.

What is tremper chocolate? I haven't seen any other then her, but I have seen EVERY gecko in the world either! LOL

Or is Chocolate just to explain that she is a darker color? Is it genetic, or just the tremper part is genetic?

Another stupid question... I heard it is "frowned" to breed to different types of albinos, ie my bell, and my tremper, is this true, or was it just one persons opinion I heard? Also if I have a pair of SHTCT's, and the male has one little spot on his back, is he still a super hypo? I can take a pic if it will help, just let me know.

Thanks

 

[geckogirls]

I will give you that he does look bell in many ways, but I rescued a tremper(proven just recently) that looked exactly like him. I gave my rescue to a little girl and later gave her a female tremper of mine to breed to him..... 2 eggs hatched and were ALBINO

The best way to find out is to breed them together... albino and they are tremper, non albino and you have bell and tremper. Either way, cool pets

So what do you mean if they produce Albino? are not Tremper and bell both strans of Albino?? I am confused, is there just a plain "albino" morph, other then the tremper, bell, and rainwater? Once again sorry for the stupid questions, I am completely new to morph genetics....

 

[PrototypeGeckos]

So what do you mean if they produce Albino? are not Tremper and bell both strans of Albino?? I am confused, is there just a plain "albino" morph, other then the tremper, bell, and rainwater? Once again sorry for the stupid questions, I am completely new to morph genetics....

Not a stupid question, everyone is learning here, the three different strains of albino (Tremper, Bell & Rainwater) are not compatible, if you breed one to the other you will get normals het for both strains of albino. You only get albinos by breeding two geckos of the same strain of albino together.

 

[paulnj]

We all agree you have a tremper female. So if you were to breed the male to her and the hatchlings are albino ....they are trempers. If the hatchlings are non albino, I humbly bow my head in shame because that would mean your male was indeed a bell albino.

You are correct on the 3 strains of albinism

 

[Gazz]

What is tremper chocolate? I haven't seen any other then her, but I have seen EVERY gecko in the world either! LOL

Or is Chocolate just to explain that she is a darker color? Is it genetic, or just the tremper part is genetic?

Another stupid question... I heard it is "frowned" to breed to different types of albinos, ie my bell, and my tremper, is this true, or was it just one persons opinion I heard? Also if I have a pair of SHTCT's, and the male has one little spot on his back, is he still a super hypo? I can take a pic if it will help, just let me know.

Thanks

Nothing to worry about it is a Tremper albino.The chocolate part is not genetic it's to do woth the temp it was incubated at resulting in the colour you see.

Yes it is frowned on resulting in people comming from fare and wide with pick axes and pitch folk :joker: .No the resion it's frowed on is THIS WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW :dizzy2: CONFUSION :dizzy2: .
Bell X tremper = normal het bell & tremper .

In my view one spot is one spot to meny so would be hypo from me but if the spot is more like a birth mark and not infact a spot then your back in super hypo land.But differant people have differant views your best bet is post a picture and see what the people say.

 

[geckogirls]

Okay great! Thanks for your alls help!! Now I learned something new, also, I have read many things about when the "breeding season" was, can anyone tell me what the real season is? Like the month(s) they breed how long the female holds the eggs, how long it takes to hatch the eggs? I have soo many questions, i guess I will post on another part of the forum with all the other questions.

Thanks

 

[Gazz]

We all agree you have a tremper female. So if you were to breed the male to her and the hatchlings are albino ....they are trempers. If the hatchlings are non albino, I humbly bow my head in shame because that would mean your male was indeed a bell albino.

You are correct on the 3 strains of albinism

I know the bloke got the ID of the female wrong but het said the male was bell het albino what if he was sort of right here and it bell het tremper ??? that would result in normals het bell & tremper and tremper albino het bell.I beleave that's right ?? is't it ?.

 

[paulnj]

In that case..... yikes, you are correct. PET ONLY on that male please

 

[geckogirls]

In that case..... yikes, you are correct. PET ONLY on that male please

What if I bred him to a normal female? What about a SHTCT Female? Or should I just not breed him at all since we dont know if he is really het for another strain of Albino? I was told that they have been bred before, maybe if I can find out what was produced by them, then I will know?

Thanks again everybody

 

[paulnj]

I really don't know,I personally wouldn't breed that male(I have a few pet only geckos)

If you can findout what was produced or what they were bred with.... that would clear up some of the questions as to what they are though.

 

[geckogirls]

I really don't know,I personally wouldn't breed that male(I have a few pet only geckos)

If you can findout what was produced or what they were bred with.... that would clear up some of the questions as to what they are though.

okay I emailed the guy I got them from. He told me that they were bred together, and I am waiting for him to tell me what they produced, so if they produced all normals, then that means that they are different strains, and he is not het for tremper, and if they had all albinos, than they are both Trempers, and if it was a mix of normals and albinos then he could have possibly been bell, het for tremper right?

 

[Gazz]

okay I emailed the guy I got them from. He told me that they were bred together, and I am waiting for him to tell me what they produced, so if they produced all normals, then that means that they are different strains, and he is not het for tremper, and if they had all albinos, than they are both Trempers, and if it was a mix of normals and albinos then he could have possibly been bell, het for tremper right?

You got it wizz kid :main_thumbsup: spot on your a speedy learner take some quite a time to wrap there heads around it.let us know the result you get told.