what will i get?

[azgeckoguy4288]

Hey everyone my names Aaron. I'm new to geckos and this site. I currently have a gravid Tremper albino that was studded by my male tangerine. I am curious as to what my outcome will be. The guy I buy my Leos from local said they would be normal 100% het for albino and 100% het for tangerine. But then one if the members on this site said tangerine is a line bred trait, and that I would get tangerine babies 100% for albino. Now I was under the impression from my extensive readings that in order to get a line bred trait to show both parents have to have the line bred traits to show. Do tremper albinos carry the tangerine trait, or do you only have to have one tangerine to get tangy babies. If not what will be my outcome of a tangy crossed with tremper? Thanks for all the help

Signed, confused in Arizona

 

[lillith]

I will explain further. Tangerine is polygenetic; more than one gene is involved in expressing tangerine color. When you linebreed for a trait - in this case, tangerine - you combine the best specimen examples of the color you want to "concentrate" the expression of the genes involved. If you breed a tangerine to an albino that is not very tangerine, you will still get tangerine in the offspring, because the multiple genes involved are still there from the tangerine parent, but will be diluted by the non-tangerine parent.

In your instance, you will want to take the most hypo, tangerine offspring and breed them to each other, or another gecko with the exact same combination of genetics (hypo tangerine het tremper), to get the sunglows you are after.

There is no such thing as "het tangerine" because it is not a recessive trait. Google "heterozygous" and "homozygous" if you want a better explanation.

 

[Jordan]

You will get normals het for tremper albino. Some of them will sure show slight tangerine.

Tremper is a recessive, meaning both the parents need to be carrying the tremper gene for the offspring to come out tremper.
Tangerine is Polygenetic. Meaning it will always be passed on but at different ammounts depending on the other parent. If you breed a very bright tangerine to another very bright one, you will get very bright babies. If you breed a very bright tangerine to a NOT very bright one, you will get offspring somewhere inbetween. which is what you have done.

Please please, do not just put a male and female together, until you fully understand genetics and all the morphs. Its is VERY important to do extensive research BEFORE breeding.

 

[azgeckoguy4288]

I have done tons of reading on this stuff and have been breeding pythons for 7 years. Leo genes are quite different in many ways and there is not just a list of stuff to put together to get a certain morph. there are tons of spreads for ball pythons saying for example "breed a mojave to mojave and you get a blue eyed lucy." and for some reason or another no matter how much i read about it im still having trouble understand genetics. i thank for your help but dont need to be made to sound like im an idiot. i simply wanted to get a little bit more of an idea and understanding

 

[Jordan]

Well i apologise if it seemed like that.

And hopefully with 7 years breeding pythons behind you, you will understand the reason why i empathised the need for research to someone whom i thought was new to breeding.

The Leopard Gecko Wiki is a great place for info on morphs, also morphguide.com is great. I also know of a forum specifically for leopard gecko's but im not sure if im allowed to link to another forum on here, so PM me if your interested in more sources and links.

 

[tbz]

Sir, you will get normals het tremper albinos, with some of them showing some tangerine influence.

 

[azgeckoguy4288]

So my question for that is if I breed the females of that clutch back to daddy tangerine will the tangerine influence be more pronounced? And to further that if I breed males of that clutch to the albino I should get sunglows correct. Because they will be tangerine het albino to albino which in theory will bring me the sunglows. They may not be the brightest sunglows but will be sunglows

 

[Jordan]

correct.

The tangerine babies back to the tangerine parent will make more pronounced and stronger tangerines, 50%het tremper.

And the babies back to the tremper parent will make some Tangelo's, or hybino's.
Sunglows are SHTCT Albino's. So they need to be super hypo (no pattern).
So im afraid you'll only get either tangelo's (tangerine albino's) or Hybino's (hypo albino's)