Yes again...Blazing Blizard ?

[GeckoMandi]

I searched the forums so don't hate me for starting another Blazing Blizzard thread..lol

I might be in the market for a mate for my Tremper BB, I was thinking of getting a female Tremper BB for him and correct this if its wrong but the babies would be bb's and het for blazing? I think I read somewhere it might just be Blizzards and just hets bb's? argggg. I know it takes 2 recessive genes right? Sorry but the genetics of blizzards confused the crap out of me once the convo gets going.

 

[ByRandom]

If they are both BB's, it is my understanding that you get 100% BB's... I may be wrong.

 

[cjreptiles]

If they are both BB's, it is my understanding that you get 100% BB's... I may be wrong.

You are correct.

 

[GeckoMandi]

Ok well I was wrong then! lol thanks

 

[nevinm]

i have a male BB, and a female tremper albino, het for BB.

 

[Stitch]

I know VMS Herps has female BB for about $75 and blizzards het for BB at $55.

 

[Kotsay1414]

i have a male BB, and a female tremper albino, het for BB.

50% Albinos het Blizzard
50% Blazing Blizards

 

[nevinm]

i wasnt asking, lol. i was only stating that albino can be het for BB. i missunderstood mandi in her original post. i thought she was asking if only the blizzards could be hets. my fault. and tremper BB to tremper het BB would be produce blizzards as well as BBs and trempers...or is there something someone hasnt told me?

 

[cjreptiles]

i wasnt asking, lol. i was only stating that albino can be het for BB. i missunderstood mandi in her original post. i thought she was asking if only the blizzards could be hets. my fault. and tremper BB to tremper het BB would be produce blizzards as well as BBs and trempers...or is there something someone hasnt told me?

You wouldn't get any normal blizzards as all hatchlings would be homozygous for albino, hence all blizzards would be blazings.

 

[nevinm]

so how do you get blizzard 100% het blazzing blizzard?

 

[Ian S.]

so how do you get blizzard 100% het blazzing blizzard?

Breeding a blazing blizzard x gives you.... 100% het blazzing blizzards. :main_cool3:

 

[NaughtyDawg]

50% Albinos het Blizzard
50% Blazing Blizards

I have been led to believe these 2 genes do not combine well and the odds are more like 1 in 200 for double hets not 1 in 16.

 

[cjreptiles]

so how do you get blizzard 100% het blazzing blizzard?

Blizzard 100% het blazing blizzard simply means a blizzard that is heterozygous (het) for albinism. The only way to get one of these without proving them out first would be to cross a blazing blizzard with a blizzard 100% het albino and without getting a blazing blizzard...but in that case you would already have a blizzard het albino anyway

Originally, obviously, to get the blazing blizzard, an albino had to be crossed with a blizzard to give normal looking F1 offspring that were 100% het. for both blizzard and albino. Then, when two of these were bred together, 1/16th of thier offspring would be blazing blizzard - i.e. homozygous for both albino and blizzard - and the rest would be normal het for nothing (1/16), normal het blizzard but not het albino (1/8), normal het albino but not het blizzard (1/8), normal het for both albino and blizzard (1/4), blizzard het albino (1/8), albino het blizzard (1/8), blizzard no het (1/16), and albino not het (1/16).

This is where all the percentages come in, because if you have, for example, a blizzard, you cannot tell by looking at it whether it is heterozygous for anything. However, you know that you had a 1/8 chance of producing a blizzard that wasn't het. for albino, and a 1/8 (2/16) chancing of producing one that was het albino. So, the blizzard has twice as much chance of being het. for albino than not, and therefore it would be 66% het. for albino.

Not really sure all that was necessary...but basically I was doing it to explain that to get a blizzard 100% het blazing blizzard, it must definitely have come from a blazing blizzard and another blizzard 100% het albino, otherwise it cannot be 100% het albino unless it has been proven to produce albino offspring. Not sure if any of this was useful at all.

 

[cjreptiles]

I have been led to believe these 2 genes do not combine well and the odds are more like 1 in 200 for double hets not 1 in 16.

Actually you are right - that's the problem with genetics; you can't rely on theory.

 

[eyelids]

Blizzard 100% het blazing blizzard simply means a blizzard that is heterozygous (het) for albinism. The only way to get one of these without proving them out first would be to cross a blazing blizzard with a blizzard 100% het albino and without getting a blazing blizzard...but in that case you would already have a blizzard het albino anyway

Actually you'd get them from Blazing Blizzard x Blizzard. The Blizzard doesn't have to be het Albino since a BB is double homozygous and fully expresses the gene itself.

 

[cjreptiles]

Actually you'd get them from Blazing Blizzard x Blizzard. The Blizzard doesn't have to be het Albino since a BB is double homozygous and fully expresses the gene itself.

You are completely right, I was just being an idiot :shame: My excuse it that it is 2 am over here and I'm just about to go to bed...or something like that :main_yes:

 

[eyelids]

You are completely right, I was just being an idiot :shame: My excuse it that it is 2 am over here and I'm just about to go to bed...or something like that :main_yes:

LOL! No worries... I slip up all of the time!

 

[GeckoMandi]

That's a great post CJ you made there, it really helped me with my genetics and I'm always looking to learn.

 

[Kotsay1414]

I have been led to believe these 2 genes do not combine well and the odds are more like 1 in 200 for double hets not 1 in 16.

Does this hold true even when dealing with the cross he described. BB x Tremper het Blizzard?

 

[Stitch]

Does this hold true even when dealing with the cross he described. BB x Tremper het Blizzard?

I have seen Tremper Blazing Blizzard (TBB) and Las Vegas Blizard Blizzard (LVBB). I believe it's the Bell Albino gene that does not cross well with the Blizzard gene. So as long as you are working with Tremper or Las Vegas albino gene you should have no problem producing BB.

I have a Tremper BB female and a male Tremper Albino het for Blizzard. With this pairing I should get 50% Tremper BB and the other 50% will be Tremper Albinos het for Blizzard.