About 4 months ago a baby I bought excaped from our newly built cage. NEVER did I expect to find her....Well this morning the odds seem to be in her favor as she crawled out from under the fridge and collapsed. She didnt move or anything...She's in rough shape, I dunno where to begin!!! Looks like she has MBD, maybe blind, and impacted...Do you think she'll make it? I gave her a 10 minute warm soak(which seemed to perk her up ALOT) then put her on the heated side of the quaranteen tank. Tips? Thoughts? Ideas? @.@ She's so tiny and weak!D:
A christmas merical?? Or a bad sign??
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Aw. obviously a vet visit is in order but some things you can start on your own until you can get there... Def. give what you can to help her. Take it slow. Don't stress her too much. Most important first 2 things I'd be working on right now are restarting GI motility to help clear the impaction. Feeding her small meals and dabbing olive or mineral oil on her lips to lap up, warm soaks to help relax (and side benefit, will help with the shedding issues), some exercise because movement makes movements... plus it will increase appetite and muscle tone even if she is emaciated right now. Make sure to only offer small balanced meals right now to avoid re-feeding syndrome, "flies, cockroaches, crickets, locusts, mealworms, waxworms, phoenix worms, grasshoppers, silkworms, spiders, snails, millipedes and woodlice", please read up on re-feeding syndrome and critical care so you understand it a little better
http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002&Category=2716&PID=16358&Print=1&O=Generic
http://www.animalemergencycenter.com/images/CE%20Page%20Updates/critical%20care%20nutrition%20and%20flu.pdf .
Second thing I'd be working on is her vision. Getting the stuck shed off and managing potential infections. I would use terramycin ointment since it will lubricate the eye to aide in removing the shed, has antibacterial qualities and is specifically designed for use in the eye, plus you can get it at places like tractor supply over the counter. If there's any abrasions it could help prevent ulceration of the cornea until you can get her to the vet.
Suppliments... maybe a liquid variety if you can find it, a good multi vit or an all in one multi vit. calcium D3 combo just to boost immune system and prevent any MBD from progressing worse. Maybe you can add a little purafied water to some suppliments you have now and drip them onto her nose or in her mouh. Allen Repashy's forum has some good info on percentages of what nutrient is needed in what doseage so maybe that can help. http://www.forums.repashy.com/diets-live-foods-supplements/10646-repashy-superfoods-product-change-log.html
Lastly a good vet exam as soon as you can. Here is another good link that gives you in great detail exactly everything a vet should go over in a COMPLETE exam of your herp: http://wvc.omnibooksonline.com/data/papers/2008_V460.pdf Maybe that can give you some further ideas as to how to care for her and what to check and how for now.
Lastly I would make sure you are keeping her hospital tank in the higher heat range, around maybe 96 maybe even 98*F right now until she gets a little meat on her. A little extra heat can only help IMO.
Just take it slow. Address what you can but don't be too optamistic. I certainly hope that she pulls thru. I find it kinda odd that she would just come out of hiding and collapse in braod daylight right in front of you. Sounds more like a kismet/fate moment to me.
Good Luck. Please keep us updated.
http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002&Category=2716&PID=16358&Print=1&O=Generic
http://www.animalemergencycenter.com/images/CE%20Page%20Updates/critical%20care%20nutrition%20and%20flu.pdf .
Second thing I'd be working on is her vision. Getting the stuck shed off and managing potential infections. I would use terramycin ointment since it will lubricate the eye to aide in removing the shed, has antibacterial qualities and is specifically designed for use in the eye, plus you can get it at places like tractor supply over the counter. If there's any abrasions it could help prevent ulceration of the cornea until you can get her to the vet.
Suppliments... maybe a liquid variety if you can find it, a good multi vit or an all in one multi vit. calcium D3 combo just to boost immune system and prevent any MBD from progressing worse. Maybe you can add a little purafied water to some suppliments you have now and drip them onto her nose or in her mouh. Allen Repashy's forum has some good info on percentages of what nutrient is needed in what doseage so maybe that can help. http://www.forums.repashy.com/diets-live-foods-supplements/10646-repashy-superfoods-product-change-log.html
Lastly a good vet exam as soon as you can. Here is another good link that gives you in great detail exactly everything a vet should go over in a COMPLETE exam of your herp: http://wvc.omnibooksonline.com/data/papers/2008_V460.pdf Maybe that can give you some further ideas as to how to care for her and what to check and how for now.
Lastly I would make sure you are keeping her hospital tank in the higher heat range, around maybe 96 maybe even 98*F right now until she gets a little meat on her. A little extra heat can only help IMO.
Just take it slow. Address what you can but don't be too optamistic. I certainly hope that she pulls thru. I find it kinda odd that she would just come out of hiding and collapse in braod daylight right in front of you. Sounds more like a kismet/fate moment to me.
Good Luck. Please keep us updated.
right now a vet visit isnt happening any time soon. I live in northern MN. The temps are below 0 and said to be geting a snow storm. The vets over 4 hours away so I gotta hold out here till mid-next week. She did poop! It wasnt normal had no urite(sp)(well veryyy little) but she pooped. She's laying on the heat now(95-97F) she doesnt have stuck on shed but her eyes are very white(not eye caps but the eyes themselves) She is a mack snow bell albino so i know her eyes in general are light but its like a gazed over look(hence why i think she maybe blind(or very bad sight). I have cared for 2 other rescues(one with bad MBD and one with eye infections) so I know that care bit.
It is VERY odd. Just waking up for some coffee and out plops her. Its shocking too since with 5 dogs you'd think they'd have gotten her>.> Im not giving up we'll do all we can till we can get her to a vet. I just dont wanna be all "oh yeah she'll be ok" then have her die on meD: that would be terrible. We looked all over for her! couldnt find her anywheres! we even check the fridge(where she crawled from) and didnt find her=-= Honestly i can NOT understand how she's still alive. Its been like 65F in the kitchen tops most likely cooler and she choose there? Her tail now has a kink in it, but she has all her toes so maybe theres hope. thanks for the links i'll read them over;D
It is VERY odd. Just waking up for some coffee and out plops her. Its shocking too since with 5 dogs you'd think they'd have gotten her>.> Im not giving up we'll do all we can till we can get her to a vet. I just dont wanna be all "oh yeah she'll be ok" then have her die on meD: that would be terrible. We looked all over for her! couldnt find her anywheres! we even check the fridge(where she crawled from) and didnt find her=-= Honestly i can NOT understand how she's still alive. Its been like 65F in the kitchen tops most likely cooler and she choose there? Her tail now has a kink in it, but she has all her toes so maybe theres hope. thanks for the links i'll read them over;D
if it was me, ((have had reptiles for a long time and knows what do to with basic heath problems)) i wouldn't go to the vet, since the vet would tell me what i already know. since it isn't a Mystery why she looks/acts that way. its because she has been missing with no food or water. but if you feel safer going to the vet then do so.
as for seeing poo, i would be VERY happy. because it means she is eating or ate. of-course its going to be odd and nasty looking since her system has not been running with a lot of food for the few months she has been missing. after a few weeks it should start becoming solid. and keep a bowl of dusted mealworms in there with her
as for the eye if you have washed it out with no luck i would get some Terramycin Eye Ointment you can order this online, its a antimicrobial ointment for eye infections and works great on reptiles. and see if that helps.
as for seeing poo, i would be VERY happy. because it means she is eating or ate. of-course its going to be odd and nasty looking since her system has not been running with a lot of food for the few months she has been missing. after a few weeks it should start becoming solid. and keep a bowl of dusted mealworms in there with her
as for the eye if you have washed it out with no luck i would get some Terramycin Eye Ointment you can order this online, its a antimicrobial ointment for eye infections and works great on reptiles. and see if that helps.
I'd just see if the vet had some better medicine for the MBD(it looks like she has it right? or am i seeing things?) I have some liquid calcuim but in a hour I'm gonna give the vet a call. Last time i went there with the 2 rescues the vet flat out sad that the one with MBD(who was droped and broke her jaw and front legs) wasnt gonna last and should just be "culled" then and there but 3 months later she's now 35 grams and doing so much better!
I was very happy to see the poop!
i didnt expect it! I just hope she didnt eat something bad@.@ I think these 2 coming weeks are gonna be the longest/hardest knowing if she's gonna pull threw or not.
I do have the Terramycin Eye Ointment i had to use it with the eye infection with the other gecko so I have that already. Im gonna let her rest on the heat for a bit and mess with her again later. Dont wanna stress her all to much but if she doesnt eat we will force feed. Gonna try the liquid calcuim stuff then the "gecko soup" mix then if nothing we're gonna force feed some(not alot!) and try to perk her up. I do know how to force feed the vet showed me how to do it properly tho She's so tiny and frail>.<
I was very happy to see the poop!
i didnt expect it! I just hope she didnt eat something bad@.@ I think these 2 coming weeks are gonna be the longest/hardest knowing if she's gonna pull threw or not.I do have the Terramycin Eye Ointment i had to use it with the eye infection with the other gecko so I have that already. Im gonna let her rest on the heat for a bit and mess with her again later. Dont wanna stress her all to much but if she doesnt eat we will force feed. Gonna try the liquid calcuim stuff then the "gecko soup" mix then if nothing we're gonna force feed some(not alot!) and try to perk her up. I do know how to force feed the vet showed me how to do it properly tho She's so tiny and frail>.<
well if there is poo she is eating on her own, so i would see what happens as for MBD i would just keep the mealworms or feeders dusted, as long as she is not having seizures i think your ok, 4 months with no calcium seems long but i dont think its life threatening, the Liquid calcium should work well if you just drop a bit on her nose and see if she licks it up or just licks up the powered calcium
even if the MBD seems to be to much there are still ways to fight it like calcium injections *from a vet* but that is very extreme treatment for reptiles having lack of calcium Seizures.
even if the MBD seems to be to much there are still ways to fight it like calcium injections *from a vet* but that is very extreme treatment for reptiles having lack of calcium Seizures.
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Geckos can go a good while with no food but must have water. Daily baths for 30 min will go a long way in rehydrating her. Water will have to be exchanged to keep it warm. Dehydration causes overall weakness and vision problems. It's going to take some time for her to gradually improve. Force feeding will cause undue stress and should be avoided, especially since there was poop, she was eating something. If you use the dropping on the nose method with anything, use some plain pedialyte for the water part to help restore electrolytes. Good job on finding her! She may surprise you and pull thru
We're hoping she'll eat on her own but were thinking on the worse case senario thing. Obviously if she'll eat on her own all the better;D When she went missing she was 13 grams she weighs 19 now... she was a baby so I worry that the calcuim depravision might have perment effects....Im hoping she'll bouns back quickly but again not gonna be thinking she'll make it just like that. I will keep everyone updated;D Hopefully she does pull threw.
Also while checking her over i noteds a bit of poop stuck on her butt area. it looks like its still inside too so im not sure if i should worry about it or if the soaks will wash it off.
Also while checking her over i noteds a bit of poop stuck on her butt area. it looks like its still inside too so im not sure if i should worry about it or if the soaks will wash it off.
Geckos can go a good while with no food but must have water. Daily baths for 30 min will go a long way in rehydrating her. Water will have to be exchanged to keep it warm. Dehydration causes overall weakness and vision problems. It's going to take some time for her to gradually improve. Force feeding will cause undue stress and should be avoided, especially since there was poop, she was eating something. If you use the dropping on the nose method with anything, use some plain pedialyte for the water part to help restore electrolytes. Good job on finding her! She may surprise you and pull thru
Finding her?? No no no she found us. there was no way for us to find the tiny little thing she found us;D I did soak her for about 20 minutes and did exchange the water(second pic of that) but she was getting so tired/weak she wasnt keeping her head up outta the tiny bit of water so i pulled her out. I do have pedialyte thawing;D had to freeze it after using it with the other gecko. So it should be around room temp(enough anyways) by tonight gonna give her some of that after the next soak.When i did soak her earlier she did lick some up. There is hope.
Ideas on a fitting name for her? she had gone missing so fast i never got a chance to name her!(had her less then a day)
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Bellator and Praelia (noun) are latin for warrior
Dea ia latin for goddess
(notice a theme here )
and of course there's good ole fashioned Houdini
Dea ia latin for goddess
(notice a theme here
)and of course there's good ole fashioned Houdini
Saya Dea sounds nice(short for Sayonara; japanese for good bye) so Good bye goddes)...But im afriad i think she's breathing her last breathes. She's breathing VERY faintly as in like once a minute? But just as i thought she was dead(not moving, breathing anything) her mouth popped open and she moved...I dunno is this normal? She was breathing really heavy but now shes not so much. Now that i got a good look at her it seems her nose is swollen and is very red. I dunno what to do about that....Like i said tho i think she's breathing her last breaths now...Poor baby...I failed her.
Could she be going into shock?
Could she be going into shock?
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She could have an upper respratory issue going on. Maybe she snuffled up some water during one of your soaks? The slow low breathing is usually a sign of distress in most animals idk about leos tho. I thought their breathing was lower respirations than most animals anyway. Unless you see her actually gasping for air I wouldn't say it was the end. Maybe bump her temps a little higher. Remember the more you fuss the more you'll see out of the ordinary and you'll worry. I would just give her some peace in a quiet room, do what you can to help, and let nature take it's course. If she recovers it was meant to be, if not, then maybe she came out to say good bye to you.
I think she passed. When she pooped i think it was just her bowels releasing. She didnt move away from the poop i had to pick her up and move her since then she's been in the same position and seems to be getting stiff. I did pick her up once and after some poking and thinking she died she opened her mouth(nothing else) could it have been nerves? I dunno its so sudden@.@ Waiting on a call back from the damned vet.
Yup she passed. She just came out to say good bye. I took a few pics of her tummy and nose. I dont think she would have made it in general. Odds were against her from the start when she went missing but to live this long on her own. she had gone missing late June@.@ I had her a day before she went on the run, despite catching it right away she was just to small to make it. If she had been with me a month atleast and saved up some fat she probably would have made it. None the less its sad. thanks for the help!
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Bummer At least she could be comforted in her last hours. I'm very sorry.
At least she could be comforted in her last hours. I'm very sorry.roger
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I think what we have to realize is that there are a lot of health problems and ppl are suggesting a ton of things to do with her different ailments.I would leave her be for a while give her clean substrate heat plenty of hides, and some slurrey and thats it for now.IMO the very first thing I would do is get a slurry put together that u can find on this forum and dab a little on her nose so she can lick it.There are a lot of things going on with her right now.Get some slurry into her and u can start working on everything else later.Its gonna take some time.
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Sorry to read about your little gecko. Kind of bitter sweet that she came out to say goodbye. You did what you could, don't beat yourself up over it.
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I'm so sorry for your loss
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