Abnormal Urate

[TRUE]

- Sex Male
- Age & Weight 5 Months/Unknown
- Morph (if you know) Super Snow Albino? His eyes are red.
- How long have you owned your leopard gecko will be one month on thursday
- Where was he/she obtained (Pet store, breeder, wild caught, etc.) Repticon/Breeder
- Is your leo wild caught or captive bred captive bred

A) Health/History
- How often do you handle your leo once a day for reptaboost feedings/started two days ago
- Is your leo acting any different today? If so how
- Has he/she had any problems in the past, if so please describe.
B) Fecals Abnormal
- Describe- Runny dark brown. Urate has a yellow tint with crystal like texture
Yesterdays Poo->

4 Days Ago ->

- When was the last time he/she went Lastnight
C) Problem
- Please briefly describe the problem/issue you are experiencing and how long it has been going on
He hasn't eaten since 8-26. Weight looks to be the same.
Housing:
A) Enclosure
- Size 10 gallon
- Type (ex. glass tank, screen enclosure, tub kept) Glass
- Type of substrate (sand, vinyl tiles, ceramic/stone tiles, etc.) Paper towels, news paper
- Hides (how many, location and type (hothide, humid hide, regular hide etc.) 1 hothide over heating pad [Tupperware], 1 regular hide on cool side [log hide].
B) Heating
- What is your main heat source (heat bulbs, under tank heat mat etc) **Please include the brand and size of your UTH if you use one**Zilla heating pad for 1-5 gallon [the 10 gallon looked way to big]
- What are your cage temps hot side between 91.7 and 93.7
- Method of regulating your heat source (thermostat, rheostat, light dimmer etc.)
- What are you using to measure your temps (probe thermometer, infrared lazer tempo gun, stick on temp gauge, etc) probe thermometer
- Do you have any lights (describe type (red,blue, basking etc) and cycle duration) No
C) Cage mates
- How many (males, females)
- Describe health, or previous problems of cage mates

Describe Diet:
A) Typical diet Reptaboost and a little bit of shed
- What are you feeding I've tried crickets, mealworms, and waxworms
- How often are you feeding your gecko and how much per feeding?
- How are you feeding (hand fed, tongs/tweezers, left in dish, ect) Hand Feeding, tweezers, and some have been left in a dish
B) Supplements
- What calcium suppliment are you using (please include brand) Fluckers Calcium with d3
- What multi vitimin are you using (please include brand)
-How are you implimenting your suppliment program (how often do you dust with each suppliment, do you leave calcium in the tank 24/7 etc.)
- What are you gutloading your feeder insects with

Other info: He's been soaked in lemon gatorade and fed chicken baby food before starting reptaboost. Stopped doing both 3 days ago.


Picture Just To Show Weight/Body Condition

 

[DrCarrotTail]

Just some initial thoughts/questions:

You mentioned he "hasn't eaten since 8/26" - You say you just started hand feeding him two days ago? He must have eaten something before then to poop four days ago. Do you mean he hasn't eaten on his own in a month? He looks young. If he hadn’t eaten in a month I would assume he would be a lot thinner. How are you monitoring his feeding to know he hasn’t eaten?

If you're hand feeding him his poop may look strange because he's not eating a normal gecko diet. I don’t really know what Reptiboost looks like or what it would look like after being digested.

About your setup – do you have a cool side? What are the temperatures on that side? How are you using the probe to measure temperatures (i.e. air or ground temperature)? Do you have a moist hide for him?

Has he seen a vet?

He doesn’t look incredibly thin. I’m glad you’re looking for help before he’s super skinny!

 

[Ozy]

- What calcium suppliment are you using (please include brand) Fluckers Calcium with d3

Problem. Too much D3 is bad for a leo. I would recommend just using Repashy Calcium Plus at every feeding. I believe you are giving your leo too much D3 for starters. Also you need to gut load the insects. Repashy Super Load, Hydro Load, Bug Burger and Fluker's High Calcium Cricket Diet are all good choices. I use the gel water stuff.

 

[katie_]

Maybe his urites are abnormal because hes soaking in a sugary drink!

 

[Ozy]

For sure katie! Couple that with too much D3.. Eeesh! Your leo needs crickets and mealworms period. Repti-boost and shed skin are not a good diet for a leo.

 

[TRUE]

For sure katie! Couple that with too much D3.. Eeesh! Your leo needs crickets and mealworms period. Repti-boost and shed skin are not a good diet for a leo.

I've tried giving him mealworms and crickets lol. You honestly think I wouldn't provide the basics? And given that he's not eating those he's not getting any d3. [ I count the crickets and mealworms. He won't touch them]

 

[TRUE]

Maybe his urites are abnormal because hes soaking in a sugary drink!

Another forum said to do it for electro lights

 

[TRUE]

Just some initial thoughts/questions:

You mentioned he "hasn't eaten since 8/26" - You say you just started hand feeding him two days ago? He must have eaten something before then to poop four days ago. Do you mean he hasn't eaten on his own in a month? He looks young. If he hadn’t eaten in a month I would assume he would be a lot thinner. How are you monitoring his feeding to know he hasn’t eaten?

If you're hand feeding him his poop may look strange because he's not eating a normal gecko diet. I don’t really know what Reptiboost looks like or what it would look like after being digested.

About your setup – do you have a cool side? What are the temperatures on that side? How are you using the probe to measure temperatures (i.e. air or ground temperature)? Do you have a moist hide for him?

Has he seen a vet?

He doesn’t look incredibly thin. I’m glad you’re looking for help before he’s super skinny!

I'll answer as soon as I'm off work. [on mobile]

 

[Ozy]

I've tried giving him mealworms and crickets lol. You honestly think I wouldn't provide the basics? And given that he's not eating those he's not getting any d3.

My question is.. How HARD did you try? For electrolytes you should be using unflavored pedialyte, not nasty, sugar filled Gatorade.

 

[TRUE]

My question is.. How HARD did you try? For electrolytes you should be using unflavored pedialyte, not nasty, sugar filled Gatorade.

Besides prying his mouth open I've tried pretty hard. I wouldn't of asked you guys for help if I knew the answers... I was just following the instructions given from another forum.

 

[TRUE]

Just some initial thoughts/questions:

You mentioned he "hasn't eaten since 8/26" - You say you just started hand feeding him two days ago? He must have eaten something before then to poop four days ago. Do you mean he hasn't eaten on his own in a month? He looks young. If he hadn’t eaten in a month I would assume he would be a lot thinner. How are you monitoring his feeding to know he hasn’t eaten?

If you're hand feeding him his poop may look strange because he's not eating a normal gecko diet. I don’t really know what Reptiboost looks like or what it would look like after being digested.

About your setup – do you have a cool side? What are the temperatures on that side? How are you using the probe to measure temperatures (i.e. air or ground temperature)? Do you have a moist hide for him?

Has he seen a vet?

He doesn’t look incredibly thin. I’m glad you’re looking for help before he’s super skinny!

I meant he hasn't eaten on his own in a month [probably should of proof read before I posted xD] The previous bm's were from feeding him chicken baby food [which I was advised to do from a breeder at repticon]

I'm monitoring his food intake by counting the mealworms and or crickets I've put into the cage.

Setup question: I'm using a zilla 1-5 gallon uth and that covers less than half the tank so I guess you would consider the side without the uth the cool side. I'm unsure of the temp. As for a moist hide I've got it placed on the hot side of the tank. And the probe is on the ground above the heating pad.

No he hasn't been to the vet. There's no reptile vets close to where I live.

Yeah he's not as bad as some photos I've seen but, with him refusing to eat on his own, runny stool, and the nasty looking urate I had to ask for help.

Thanks in advance for the advice and for not jumping to conclusions. Like I said, I've only been following the directions I've been given at repticon etc. so, if anything I'm doing is wrong correct me. This is one reason why I was so reluctant to ask for help here. People tend to assume your a bad reptile owner when you do something wrong lol.

 

[Ozy]

I never assumed you were a bad owner... I was just trying to help you. You need to be sure of the temps. Belly heat is very important to a leopard gecko. It should be 90-94 on the floor of the warm side. I use the ZooMed Infrared Digital Thermometer to measure my temps. And no reptile vets close to where you live isn't much of an excuse, sorry. The closest one to me is 50 miles away, and I know people that drive 2 1/2 hours plus to take their leo to the vet. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but you have a responsibility to your leo, if he needs to go to the vet, you need to take him. I would get him checked for parasites and get his temps right and see if that doesn't help.

 

[TRUE]

I never assumed you were a bad owner... I was just trying to help you. You need to be sure of the temps. Belly heat is very important to a leopard gecko. It should be 90-94 on the floor of the warm side. I use the ZooMed Infrared Digital Thermometer to measure my temps. And no reptile vets close to where you live isn't much of an excuse, sorry. The closest one to me is 50 miles away, and I know people that drive 2 1/2 hours plus to take their leo to the vet. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but you have a responsibility to your leo, if he needs to go to the vet, you need to take him. I would get him checked for parasites and get his temps right and see if that doesn't help.

The floor temp over the heating pad is 91.7.

And the cool side I'm unsure of the temp.

 

[Ozy]

Oh ok. I thought you meant you didn't know what the warm side temp was. DURP. If I were you I would do some internet searching and just find the nearest reptile vet. Some local vets can send a fecal off to a lab to do the smear/float to check for parasites so you might want to call around and ask. They don't need to see the leo and usually it's not very expensive. But for more serious treatment than that I would go to a reptile vet for sure.

 

[DrCarrotTail]

Yeah I try not to put people who are looking for help down. Everyone’s gotta start somewhere and Gecko Forums IMO is usually a friendly place with lots of great people offering advice. However, always good to consider advice with a critical eye and a second opinion. A lot of people offer advice they can't back with experience. I haven't been in this game for a huge amount of time but like to think I bring a healthy dose of common sense

I’m not sure I can provide much advice based on what you’ve said. Your gecko doesn't look terrible and most everything sounds okay so far except the Gatorade but I've heard a lot of folks recommend soaking geckos in a solution of Pedialyte which seems to me like it would be a similar thing without so many artificial dyes (and far less advertising…haha). I can't imagine how soaking in Gatorade for a bit would really hurt him too much but I have no idea if it would cause a crystal-like urate. My guess would be that the high sugar could. How long did you soak him in it for?

Where is his cage? Is it in a high traffic room? If so, is there a way you can shield all or part of it from light and bustle so he feels more secure? Are the hides in his tank light proof or are they made from clear plastic? I’ve been using granola bar boxes in my hatchling’s cages. They seem to really love them

How many days did he go without eating before you began to force feed him baby food?

He’s been shedding okay? Have you seen him shed or had to help him get the shed off?

Have you contacted the breeder you bought him from and told them you’re having issues? An experienced breeder might have better advice about his hatchlings than you’ll get over the internet. Also, personally I would like to know if a hatchling of mine was sick or not doing well so I could look out for problems in my own geckos or give better advice to future owners.

His stool does look runny but chicken baby food probably isn’t the best thing ever for geckos so that could make it runny. It also could mean a parasite or other illness. If I were you I would call around and see if any local vets will do a fecal sample for you. They don’t necessarily have to be a reptile vet to send a fecal to a lab for you. Never hurts to call around and ask.

 

[katie_]

Cut the gatoraid. Its not even good for people to drink.
Electrolite drink can be bought unflavoured at Shoppers drug mart for 5 dollars.

Sometimes reptiles take a while to eat when we first bring them home. People often panick, and begin force feeding when its not needed. This adds more stress, amd causes the gecko to go off food even more.

I would take a day off work and travel to a vet.

I hope he pulls through for you, I have a pesky juvie I'm dealing with at the moment. It can be stressful and frustrating.

 

[Cesar_Da_KIng]

Other info: He's been soaked in lemon gatorade and fed chicken baby food before starting reptaboost. Stopped doing both 3 days ago.

The hell?

 

[Ozy]

AHAHAHAHAH Cesar! I literally just DIED laughing. LMAO!!!!