Abyssinian & Eclipse Conversation (continued from The Gecko Blog on Facebook)

[Kristi23]

So what would the outcome be if pairing a abyssinian to a eclipse? would all of the offspring be eclipse since the abyssinian is technically eclipse just with no eye pigment. or would there just be some weird double het outcome?

Abyssinian is an eclipse, so all babies would be eclipse with varying amounts of eye pigment. That was how the gene was tested. When bred to an eclipse, all babies were eclipse.

 

[jpgeckoguy]

Abyssinian is an eclipse, so all babies would be eclipse with varying amounts of eye pigment. That was how the gene was tested. When bred to an eclipse, all babies were eclipse.

Hi Kristi,

So is it possible for an animal to have an "Abyssinian look" (have clear eyes) and not be a genetic Eclipse?

Suppose an animal has Abyssinian-looking eyes (clear eyes), but not the other features of an Eclipse, like the white feet and nose tip? If so, what could the animal be?

I've just purchased an animal (arrives tomorrow!!!) that has Abyssinian-like eyes, and both parents were het Eclipse, but they were also Tangerine Tremper albino (no white nose tip, no white feet). At first I thought that pairing a het Eclipse to another het Eclipse would make for an Eclipse (alas, it is not so simple!!), but then again, if it WERE to have done that, it would likely have made a Raptor, due to the Tremper, right?

This subject fascinates me, as "Abyssinians' -- or at least the "Abyssinian-eye-look"-- still seem to be somewhat of a mystery--and they do really have exceptionally beautiful and interesting eyes! Thanks!

 

[Kristi23]

Hi Kristi,

So is it possible for an animal to have an "Abyssinian look" (have clear eyes) and not be a genetic Eclipse?

Suppose an animal has Abyssinian-looking eyes (clear eyes), but not the other features of an Eclipse, like the white feet and nose tip? If so, what could the animal be?

I've just purchased an animal (arrives tomorrow!!!) that has Abyssinian-like eyes, and both parents were het Eclipse, but they were also Tangerine Tremper albino (no white nose tip, no white feet). At first I thought that pairing a het Eclipse to another het Eclipse would make for an Eclipse (alas, it is not so simple!!), but then again, if it WERE to have done that, it would likely have made a Raptor, due to the Tremper, right?

This subject fascinates me, as "Abyssinians' -- or at least the "Abyssinian-eye-look"-- still seem to be somewhat of a mystery--and they do really have exceptionally beautiful and interesting eyes! Thanks!

I guess I'm not understanding your question. Abyssinian eyes are just normal eyes (no visual eclipse). So they are eclipse without any extra eye pigment. They should still have the features of eclipse like the white nose. The eyes are just normal eyes.

 

[Kristi23]

Also, every morph has eyes that are a bit different than other morphs. Once you start adding in genes, those will change, too. So if you mean the sort of reduced veins in eclipse eyes (with no pigment), I'm not sure if that will appear in a non eclipse animal.

 

[jpgeckoguy]

Thanks Kristi, I need to try to be clearer on this, as it is already a topic that is confusing to a lot of people! (certainly to me!)

The animal is a clear eyed animal with veins in its eyes. Both its parents were het eclipse and both were tangerine trempers.

It sounds like you are saying that such an animal is not an Eclipse (in part due to genetics, in part due to its lacking other Eclipse markers like white nose and feet), rather it's an animal with 'Normal' eyes, but, for some reason (certain genetic combinations, etc) it expresses 'Normal' eyes but without pigment--that is often referred to as Abyssinian or at least "Abyssinian looking." But it is not an Eclipse.

I guess I'd like to understand the gene or genes that cause that clear, veined eye--or at least know what to call it, and also to see what morphs or qualities to look for to potentially pair it. I thought that was called--or at least was once called--an Abyssinian.

I hope I didn't make things less clear!

 

[Kristi23]

Thanks Kristi, I need to try to be clearer on this, as it is already a topic that is confusing to a lot of people! (certainly to me!)

The animal is a clear eyed animal with veins in its eyes. Both its parents were het eclipse and both were tangerine trempers.

It sounds like you are saying that such an animal is not an Eclipse (in part due to genetics, in part due to its lacking other Eclipse markers like white nose and feet), rather it's an animal with 'Normal' eyes, but, for some reason (certain genetic combinations, etc) it expresses 'Normal' eyes but without pigment--that is often referred to as Abyssinian or at least "Abyssinian looking." But it is not an Eclipse.

I guess I'd like to understand the gene or genes that cause that clear, veined eye--or at least know what to call it, and also to see what morphs or qualities to look for to potentially pair it. I thought that was called--or at least was once called--an Abyssinian.

I hope I didn't make things less clear!

I guess I need to see a picture of the one you're talking about. I'm going to add a couple pics of one I have.

 

[Kristi23]

I don't use the term abyssinian at all (it's still an eclipse genetically), but here is a picture of what would be considered one now. He's an eclipse with no pigment in one eye and just a tiny amount in the other. But he still breeds with other eclipse and gives me 100% visual eclipse with varying amounts of eye pigment.






Here is a normal eclipse eye to compare. I have a whole album of eye pics on facebook if you want to look at those, too.




Each morph has a somewhat unique eye, but it changes when you start adding other genes to it. It's partially why you can't ID the albino strains by the eyes anymore. Eclipse eyes will vary, too. Some will have some red veins in them and others will not. Some will be solid and some will have no extra pigment. Abyssinian (and clear eyes) are just marketing terms. It's perfectly fine (and how I prefer it) to call them all eclipse since that is what they are genetically.

 

[Kristi23]

That eclipse eye pic isn't the best, but you can kind of see how the part not covered looks very similar to the other gecko's eyes. It's just how eclipse eyes look under the extra pigment. I hope that makes more sense.

 

[jpgeckoguy]

Kristi, thanks so much for posting these! Both of those are fantastic, as are the photos in the Eclipse page. I will try to post a pic in a few days, as she is still settling in.

A couple things to note-- the gecko I got Tuesday definitely does not have a white tip on the nose like Eclipses, or the white feet.

She does certainly have very lightly colored, clearish (at least) eyes, and they change more dramatically than any of my other geckos when light decreases (more 'pupilling', if you will, going within moments from clearish eyes, to varying Eclipse-ish eyes, if that makes sense,).

Maybe another way to ask my question is this: Can a non-Eclipse (genetic Eclipse) express clear-eyes (or clearish eyes, what used to be called 'Abyssinian eyes')? Or at least do we know if that can happen, and if so, is there a name for that?

 

[Kristi23]

Kristi, thanks so much for posting these! Both of those are fantastic, as are the photos in the Eclipse page. I will try to post a pic in a few days, as she is still settling in.

A couple things to note-- the gecko I got Tuesday definitely does not have a white tip on the nose like Eclipses, or the white feet.

She does certainly have very lightly colored, clearish (at least) eyes, and they change more dramatically than any of my other geckos when light decreases (more 'pupilling', if you will, going within moments from clearish eyes, to varying Eclipse-ish eyes, if that makes sense,).

Maybe another way to ask my question is this: Can a non-Eclipse (genetic Eclipse) express clear-eyes (or clearish eyes, what used to be called 'Abyssinian eyes')? Or at least do we know if that can happen, and if so, is there a name for that?

I honestly don't know. Each morph has their own unique eye (though they can vary). My "aby" eyed eclipse has eyes that look just like the unpigmented part of the eclipse eyes (my snake eyed animals). So I associate that look with eclipse. I don't know if any other gecko will have those eyes. Some do have less pigment/veins. Some of my albinos have eyes like that. If you can, look at my eye pic album on facebook and see if there are any similar to what you mean.

 

[titubaleos]

I believe to be with an Abyssinian. What do you think?

 

[Kristi23]

I believe to be with an Abyssinian. What do you think?

It's an eclipse.