abyssinian?

[Lottiz]

Ron Tremper says:
http://www.leopardgecko.com/abs.html

"A paradox leopard gecko that has red vein lines in the eyes and that can express every color on the body except for black pigment. Adults have a speckled tail and often a very faded look. Some people might classify this morph as a type of albino as seen in hooked-billed birds."


My eclipse female is not that fade as you can say she has no black pigment, but there sure is red veines in her eyes! What do you say?
(She is from Jeremy Letkey)

 

[thestack510]

Looks that way to me, and a nice one at that.

 

[Lottiz]

I asked Ron directly and he said it's 100% ab

-L

 

[canadiangecko]

nice looking one too

 

[supperl]

So you got an Gecko out of a Breeders Geckoline which was introduced not long ago from someone else *G*
Abs=Eclipse patternless stripe aka nonalbino Raptor?

Whatever she is awsome!

 

[KnECritters]

Very pretty

So eclipse X raptor = abs? Didn't say too much on Ron's site about it. I may have to look into those. They are really pretty.

 

[thestack510]

It's kinda up in the air if they are albinos or not. They have no black pigment, but would you consider them albino? Maybe Xanthic? I have Hyper Yellow Xanthics from JMG that also have no black pigment, just brown and purple. They don't have eyes like Abs though. They are very similar to Abs accept they aren't from Tremper lines and aren't het for any albino strain, as far as I know. The HYX are line bred. This is just my opinion.

 

[Kristi23]

Very nice gecko! I have two like that, too.

 

[Halley]

I don’t think the abs will really do anything for any morphs, or even is a morph…

Nice gecko either way!

 

[Mel&Keith]

Here's another thread about the subject - http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=26706&highlight=abyssinian

 

[Nigel4less]

Looks like a Low Quality Eclipse to me.... I guess I have some Albino Abyssinians :main_laugh:

 

[Lottiz]

I don't want that kind of Ron-discussion again, I just asked abour Abs, thank you.

Here's another thread about the subject - http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=26706&highlight=abyssinian

Thanks, I've missed that thread.

I think they are common but I have never had a non albino eclipse with this kind of pale eyes, thats why I had to take a closer look and found red veins. I just had to ask about it.

Looks like a Low Quality Eclipse to me.... I guess I have some Albino Abyssinians :main_laugh:

Low quality or not, I like her and she is perfect to my BEE male. You say Albino Abs... I don't understand? Isn't an abs a normal eclipse with red veins (like the albinos) but they are still non albino?
Hope you enjoy your abs

-Lottiz

 

[Nigel4less]

I don't want that kind of Ron-discussion again, I just asked abour Abs, thank you.



Thanks, I've missed that thread.

I think they are common but I have never had a non albino eclipse with this kind of pale eyes, thats why I had to take a closer look and found red veins. I just had to ask about it.



Low quality or not, I like her and she is perfect to my BEE male. You say Albino Abs... I don't understand? Isn't an abs a normal eclipse with red veins (like the albinos) but they are still non albino?
Hope you enjoy your abs

-Lottiz

What I mean is I have Snake Eyed Eclipses and Snake Eyed RAPTORs with Red Veins. In my opinion its not anything different and new.

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

Lottiz, I am glad that you are happy with her. I really don't have any opinions on the Abs in general. I just think that they are Eclipses that come by way of Amsterdam. lol

 

[Sandra]

As many of you know, the black "veins" in the eyes are black pigmentation, not really veins. True veins are naturally red, and if they are shown like that only in albinos is because the mutation removes melanine, taking out the black "veins", leaving the true veins exposed. The eclipse gene seem to change the shape of that pigmentation and turn it from vein-like to patch-like, leaving the veins of the eye that are not covered by the patch exposed as they are: red. If it's more evident in some eclipses than in others, it could be for the same reason that some albino eyes are redder than others.

I don't think the brown pattern is a sign of anything, because some eclipses have black pattern and some normals have brown pattern. Although it seems that eclipses are more prone to brown pattern than some other morphs, but I think it might be more because of a mix of different factors (the location of the pattern most of all... In most patternless stripes I've seen -that are not many- the pattern seemed to be under the yellow "layer" of color... I hope that makes sense; also, they are bred from RAPTORs that are usually line bred to lack pattern, and hypo animals sometimes have brownish patterns). It doesn't look to me like a sign of albinism.

So for me:

Abyssinian = Eclipse
Abyssinian/Eclipse ≠ Albino. I'll admit that they lack melanine in some parts of the eyes, but that's it. I wouldn't call a gecko albino because it lacks black pigmentation in the white parts of the tail or yellow parts of the body. Then I'm not calling albino an animal that lacks melanine in some parts of the eye. For me, it must be the whole eyes (in all cases, not in the rare cases some eclipses don't display black patches), the whole skin, or both.

That's my uneducated opinion.

Btw, your female is really beautiful. I don't think Nigel meant harm when he said "low quality eclipse"... I'm not sure of what he was refering to, but I think it was because the black patch was not covering the whole eye. He didn't mean she was ugly or anything, just that she has a trait that is not really appreciated by the general market. Like when we talk about chocolate Trempers. But actually, I like eclipses better without the patch covering the whole eye.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

It could possibly be a "super" Eclipse. In the same way Eclipse is likely the "super" form of Patternless Stripe/Aptor. Just a thought.

A lot of people own them, and I would say a lot of them did not even know until Ron`s release. I did not know I had one either! So it seems like a fairly common "byproduct" of the Eclipse/ Raptor project, not that it is a good term to use.:main_rolleyes:

...Or some Eclipse`s have been hanging with the Rastafarian Iguanas? :main_laugh:

 

[spykerherps]

:main_laugh::main_laugh:. where have I seen that picture before, hmmm?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I believe it was/is a postcard. I had seen it before, so had to post it, after finding it on a google search.

Sadly, there is not one to be found with geckos, but there is one with chameleons.

 

[Nigel4less]

Btw, your female is really beautiful. I don't think Nigel meant harm when he said "low quality eclipse"... I'm not sure of what he was refering to, but I think it was because the black patch was not covering the whole eye. He didn't mean she was ugly or anything, just that she has a trait that is not really appreciated by the general market. Like when we talk about chocolate Trempers. But actually, I like eclipses better without the patch covering the whole eye.

What I meant by Low-Quality eclipse was the fact that in most person's perspectives(myself included) an Eclipse with Solid or Near Solid Black eyes would be considered a "High Quality" Eclipse. In no way did I mean to say your girl was from Low Quality stock just stating my opinion about the eclipse gene.

 

[geckoboy16]

looks great!