Albino Black Snake Eyes???

GeckosLeopardo · Jun 14, 2008

Hello, this is one of my offspring, it's an albino snake eyes, his father is a Eclipse het albino and his mother is a sunglow.

If it's an albino morph (he born pink and yellow), why has he black snake eyes??

When he born

Now

paulnj · Jun 14, 2008

That's a snake eyed tangerine het tremper.

Bridget1569 · Jun 14, 2008

Very pretty baby

LeopardLunatic · Jun 14, 2008

he probably has snake eyes because the full eclipse gene didn't breed into the baby

GeckosLeopardo · Jun 14, 2008

Thanks for your answers.

But I don't know, if he is an albino morph, why has he got black snake eyes and not red snake eyes???

Another pic when he born, he was pink and yellow, so I believe that it's a tremper albino.

shadowx362 · Jun 14, 2008

are you sure its the same gecko?

DAWNoftheLEO · Jun 14, 2008

Thats the same gecko

Nigel4less · Jun 14, 2008

I`m pretty sure its a Tangerine was it incubated at Male temperatures that could have caused the bright colors.

GeckoJunkie · Jun 14, 2008

To repeat what Paul said.....it is a non-albino snake eyed tang that is het for tremper.

boutiquegecko · Jun 14, 2008

Do you have a better pic of the eyes? Was the incubation temp low? It looks like a tang, but also a dark tremper, at least to me. Are they eyes truely black or a very dark ruby? If the eyes are black it can't be albino.

godzillizard · Jun 14, 2008

it's definately an albino--the eyes appear black because it was incubated cool--you have to incubate at male biased temps to get really bright red eyes. This works best with Tremper's Raptors--it doesn't affect the Tremper Blazings as noticeably

If the eyes are black it can't be albino.

not to be rude, but this is not accurate--Tremper Blazing blizzards exhibiting the Black eye trait have black eyes no matter the incubation temp--this is also how I realized that the blizzard eye trait was different from Tremper's "Eclipse"

paulnj · Jun 14, 2008

Sorry Brian, but I hatched a few trempers at 79 -80 degrees this season with red eyes at birth, including snake eyed mack trempers

I do agree it looks like a low temp tremper in a way, but fear that the camera setting are opening up the shadows alot changing the appearance to look as such.

Gazz · Jun 14, 2008

That's a DARK T_albino eclipse banded.also known as dookie albino banded RAPTOR and chocolate albino banded RAPTOR.Due to incubaited low.The eyes are dark coz the body is dark if you look in the right light you will find that the eyes are VERY dark ruby red not black :main_thumbsup: .

GroovyGeckos.com · Jun 14, 2008

Looks like a darkened Tremper, not all of them will be as dark when incubated at low-end temperatures, or if they have been "cooled". Some of their eyes are dark cherry red instead. It is normal for the banding, and eyes to be much darker from those temps.

I have seen the higher-temp Trempers turn dark after hatching, as they are still prone to the color change for the first several months, up to a year later. Then the color is mostly "locked in", and will not change as much.

The darker colors can show themselves with temps as low as 85 dg. also, so always be sure to keep ambient temps up. Sometimes a hotspot alone cannot prevent this, in an otherwise "chilly" room. Of course I found that out the hard way.

boutiquegecko · Jun 15, 2008

This pair doesn't have blizzard gene though, so no black eye trait. I meant that a regular albino will not have black eyes.
I was under the impression that the eclipse gene caused the eye to be red-not black in an albino strain. Am I wrong with this? Dan, Paul?

paulnj · Jun 15, 2008

the eclipse gene gives it full eyes or snake eyes in a variable degree, while the albino gene will take away the eye pigment and turn it a degree of red.

a "patternless stripe" eclipse is mearly a non albino RAPTOR.

GroovyGeckos.com · Jun 15, 2008

Yes, normally we get reddish eyes, but that can change from low temperature incubation("dookies"), or the animal getting "cooled"(non-intentionally) when it is young. I have a Tremper Blazing and a Tremper PA, who both have nearly black eyes. Some will not get as dark as others, so every individual gecko may vary. Tremper eye color can be anywhere from bright red(veining), to brown-ish, or darker. Then the background color can be anywhere from pink-ish/purple-ish, to tan, to grey, to "brown", or nearly dark as a normal. The Tremper strain is the only one affected by temperature, I am pretty sure.

RW`s do not always have very red eyes, so each one will vary. Bells pretty much always have red eyes, I think. Maybe not when mixed with Patternless, as there are some possible Bell Patties w/ very dark eyes.

yellermelon · Jun 15, 2008

from the 3 pics it looks to me, first pic bright tremper with snake eye. You can sorta see the dark cherry eye color. second pic looks stressed and in shed. third pic HAS TO BE TREMPER! Paul you are a genetics guru, and somone i look for for help if i have a genetics problem or question. But that third pic is tremper ALL the way!

paulnj · Jun 15, 2008

I retract my statements and humbly say ... oops

I just hatched a tremper 30 minutes ago after 71 days from the bottom of my female cooker that is WAY darker than that one. It doesn't look tremper to me due to being extremely dark brown(nearly black), but mack tremper het raptor X raptor makes trempers 100% of the time. oddly she's banded ... grrrr:main_laugh:

Even I can be wrong..... bah hahaha

Gazz · Jun 15, 2008

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