Baby hatched with all black eyes, automaticly a Eclipse?

[MXW]

Hey guys,
this season I hatched a little woman with all Black eyes and and a puple reverse stripe (as a hatchling). The reverse stripe flys away, but the black eyes are almost there. Can I get Radars when I pair her with a Bell male? Here are some pics:





Best regards MXW from Germany

 

[Halley]

What did you use to create her? She might have some tremper in her.

 

[MXW]

The parents are SHT and Normal Striped.


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[Halley]

can you provide pictures of the parents?

 

[MXW]

I could but they're a normal Super Hypo Tangerne and and a normal striped.


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[Halley]

I could...

:main_thumbsup:

 

[MXW]

couldn't...But COULD I produce with her Radars?


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[MXW]

Any idea?


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[Sandra]

Hatching with black eyes doesn't automatically make it an eclipse, even if the appearance is the same, as "eclipse" is the name of a specific genetic mutation. It could be a different genetic mutation with a similar appearance.

To prove it is the same I would breed her to a normal. If none of the hatchlings have black eyes, it could mean that it isn't an inheritable trait or that it is recessive. If there are hatchlings with black eyes, that would make it dominant and that would mean that it is different from the eclipse.

If none of the hatchlings have black eyes, then I would breed her to a eclipse and see if I get black eyed offspring. If you do, you probably have a eclipse there.

In other instance the chance to be the same mutation would be very slim, but in this case, I don't think so. Eclipses came from stripe crosses and people have reported eclipses appearing from stripe crosses where both parents had nothing to do with eclipses/RAPTORs.

If she turns out to be an eclipse, breeding her to a Bell would give you 100% normals het eclipse and Bell (probably with some aberrant pattern from the stripe influence). Crossing them you would have a 6.25% to get a Radar Bell.

If it turns out to be a different genetic trait, you wouldn't be able to call them Radar Bells (as they wouldn't be eclipse) but you could probably do something similar.

I would breed her to a Tremper too to discard her being het Tremper before mixing her with Bells.

Lots of test breeding to do :main_laugh:

 

[Halley]

Sandra covered it!

 

[MXW]

I think I breed her next season to a bell male and look what it give. In 2010 I hope I will get Radars. But aren't black eyes are almost rezessiv? And the albino expression is the ruby or snake eye?


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[supperl]

You have no proof for it beeing an Eclipse. Maybe parents have the eclipse gen inside maybe not.
If it is an Eclipse you can produce normals het for Eclipse and Bell Albino and maybe also patternless stripe.
You than can pair these babies to each other and IF you had the Eclipse gen you "can" produce Radars.
Your Chances for Eclipse Bell Albino is 1 out of 16 but for a true Radar it is eaven worse.

To the eye trait. Not every black eye is rezessive(or the red version).
I have Mack SNow Bell ALbinos with eclipse like eyes but these are not eclipse eyes these are what "can" happen on the Bell Albino line(sometimes you hatch these kinda eyes and they stay).
ALso you see Eclipse in Blizzards and sometimes on the neigmas you also get full eyes whcih are no Eclipse eyes.
All in all you need to proof it an Eclipse eye before you produce "het Radars".

 

[Gazz]

No black/red eye dosen't auto mean True eclipse of Eclipse/RAPTOR ancestory.If your leo has no eclipse/RAPTOR blood.I'd be maybe leaning to that your super hypo tangerine ?*MAYBE*? a calico ?.With you being based in mainland Europe the strong hold of the calico trait.There has been some intresting offspring poping up out of calico breedings.It a shame he/she has a regen tail as we can't see the original tail markings.Do you have a hatchling pictures ? of this leo and a picture of two of the parents would be good also.There are some oddball calico offspring been hatching they have a like reverse stripe pattern,black eyes,usually white head but you could just be influance by baldy so tangerine would takes over.

Here the link to Lupo (calico).Picture 3 looking the most like yours.
http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=28524.

There's eclipse from ron tremper line that's Recessive.

There's False eclipse most often see in blizzards & mack snows.Has shown it shelf in some other morphs.Seems to be pretty random pop up now and then anywhere.

There's Black eye in super snow linked to the super snow pattern.

And there's something hopfully new coming from the calico offspring that are express a black eye trait.

 

[Leopardgeckosunlimited]

I've hatched many gecko's w/ black eyes that aren't eclispe or Super Snows, So NO gecko's w/ black eyes don't make them eclispe. Signs of eclispe morph even w/ the combo morphs always have (from what I've seen and hatched myself) white on tips of nose and white feed. Most have a speckled tail too. Has hatchlings a red pupil. Where in Super Snow morphs wont. I've seen the black eyes in my reg. blizzards and mack blizzards, don't know if this has anything to do w/ it or not but all my blizzards have come from my male mack snow het blizzard.
You could get Radars by crossing their babies back if the parents are het Raptor and that's how you got her, the odds are about 1 in 16 though. But you can always get lucky so why not try, bells aren't expensive so it be worth it to produce a Radar & w/o spending alot too would be awesome!! Is there anyway you could find out if the parents were possible hets and/or what the parents of them are? Best of Luck!

Jessica