Thanks again, in response to the question about housing... a little ways up the page...caves are pretty easy (araneus being a little more fickle in my opinion). The key thing is humidity and outside of that they can stand it pretty cool and reasonably warm. The last gecko pictured is indeed hainanensis. I've seen many examples for both high orange coloration and aberrant patterns in both hainanensis and luii and believe these traits to be pretty common in both species. I hope as well that within a couple of generations we can see the beginnings of some cool morphs, and am glad everyone is having success and will love working with other breeders hopefully in the future. Personally I believe restraint is in order for myself in labeling morphs until larger breeding programs are established over time as some importers are quick to brand slightly aberrant geckos as "sunset" or "patternless" morphs as we all saw last summer at greatly exagerrated prices and I think it's a little too soon for that...but someday Thanks again for looking and I hope everyone has a fantastic goni season!