Banded raptor = Raptor

[xiesehao]

I want to ask

until now in my country, the discussion of banded raptors are not finished until now ..
some people say banded raptor is raptor
some people say banded raptor is not raptor ...

actually what is banded raptor ?

I want to find out the answer here ...
thx 4
the answer

 

[Tony C]

I consider any Tremper Albino Eclipse to be a RAPTOR, trying to exclude some based on their pattern is confusing and unnecessary in my opinion. The debate is far from settled though, there are plenty of people here who disagree and say only patternless stripe Tremper Eclipses should be called RAPTORs.

 

[xiesehao]

so if we call tremper eclipse with banded raptor ,,is right?

who the first time give tremper eclipse with banded raptor?
ron tremper?isn't he?

 

[artgecko]

I would not call it a RAPTOR. It is just an eclipse tremper albino orange.

 

[Northstar Herp]

I think that it is pertinent to know how the "patternless stripe" works genetically. I haven't been able to find this out, but I think I read somewhere that it's not really consistently reproduce-able. If it is, then I'd be in favor of reserving the RAPTOR name for patternless stripe animals only. If it isn't then no way. Does anybody know how it works?

 

[xiesehao]

if banded raptor is not raptor...
I really confuse....
because I ever get baby raptor paternles from banded raptor * shtct het raptor...
if banded raptor not raptor = if banded raptor give you raptor?


ron tremper the first time people make raptor from aptor,,,
and he call for "tremper eclipse" with banded raptor..
and he believe banded raptor is raptor

why other people still not belive banded raptor is raptor ??

sory if my languange bad

 

[Northstar Herp]

I just have a hard time calling something "patternless" when it has a pattern. That's what the P stands for.

It's like calling a green iguana a "Blue Iguana". It just doesn't make sense.

But if the "patternless" is not reproduce-able with any degree of certainty, then what's the point? There should be no distinction, IMO. Keep calling it a RAPTOR just because it's cool and RATOR is just dumb, but it sure shouldn't be considered part of the morph.

 

[xiesehao]

waiting 4 the other answer

 

[Kristi23]

I consider any Tremper Albino Eclipse to be a RAPTOR, trying to exclude some based on their pattern is confusing and unnecessary in my opinion. The debate is far from settled though, there are plenty of people here who disagree and say only patternless stripe Tremper Eclipses should be called RAPTORs.

I pretty much agree with this.

I've hatched banded raptors and banded eclipse from two patternless stripe eclipses.

 

[Tony C]

I think that it is pertinent to know how the "patternless stripe" works genetically. I haven't been able to find this out, but I think I read somewhere that it's not really consistently reproduce-able. If it is, then I'd be in favor of reserving the RAPTOR name for patternless stripe animals only. If it isn't then no way. Does anybody know how it works?

Patternless Stripe came from combining stripes and reverse stripes, and Eclipses popped up as a random mutation in that project. In my opinion all Tremper Eclipses are RAPTORs because all Eclipses descended from that Patternless Stripe bloodline, and it is a very unpredictable trait. I have had many geckos hatch as Patternless Stripes later develop spots and stripes and it seems silly to me to have to change the name as the animals grow if they develop some sort of pattern like most do. I have also had quite a few hatch as jungles then hypo out to zero pattern. What should they be called? (I started a thread on that...) What about the couple that went clean like that, then developed stripes? Trying to classify morphs by pattern is too messy for me.

 

[xiesehao]

thx 4 the answer

I am really appreciate for the answer,,,
Thanks full to you all :main_thumbsup:

 

[miiike]

Patternless Stripe came from combining stripes and reverse stripes, and Eclipses popped up as a random mutation in that project. In my opinion all Tremper Eclipses are RAPTORs because all Eclipses descended from that Patternless Stripe bloodline, and it is a very unpredictable trait. I have had many geckos hatch as Patternless Stripes later develop spots and stripes and it seems silly to me to have to change the name as the animals grow if they develop some sort of pattern like most do. I have also had quite a few hatch as jungles then hypo out to zero pattern. What should they be called? (I started a thread on that...) What about the couple that went clean like that, then developed stripes? Trying to classify morphs by pattern is too messy for me.

This is the best explanation I have seen on the subject!

 

[Northstar Herp]

Patternless Stripe came from combining stripes and reverse stripes, and Eclipses popped up as a random mutation in that project. In my opinion all Tremper Eclipses are RAPTORs because all Eclipses descended from that Patternless Stripe bloodline, and it is a very unpredictable trait. I have had many geckos hatch as Patternless Stripes later develop spots and stripes and it seems silly to me to have to change the name as the animals grow if they develop some sort of pattern like most do. I have also had quite a few hatch as jungles then hypo out to zero pattern. What should they be called? (I started a thread on that...) What about the couple that went clean like that, then developed stripes? Trying to classify morphs by pattern is too messy for me.

That's good info, thanks for clarifying, Tony.

 

[xiesehao]

bro tony I have one question
Raptor = ruby eye albino paternless tremper orange....
paternless ini raptor not murpy,,but can we call paternless strip is genetik?or not?
explain me,,thx 4 the answer bro

GBU

 

[Dog Shrink]

Stupid beginner question here but how do y'all keep track of this stuff? Do geckos come with a pedigree like dogs and rabbits?

 

[Northstar Herp]

Stupid beginner question here but how do y'all keep track of this stuff? Do geckos come with a pedigree like dogs and rabbits?

No pedigrees, some genetics are readily seen just by looking at the animal, others can be narrowed down to a few possibilities, others can only be known if you know what the parents are, and others you would have to breed the animal to find out.

You're at a good place to learn that kind of stuff though. :main_thumbsup:

 

[xiesehao]

Stupid beginner question here but how do y'all keep track of this stuff? Do geckos come with a pedigree like dogs and rabbits?

what you already feel smarter?
please answer if you are smart
I am stupid beginners so I want to learn to be better

 

[Neill]

Why not just call it a RABTOR = Red-eyed, Albino, Banded, Tremper, ORange?

 

[Tony C]

Why not just call it a RABTOR = Red-eyed, Albino, Banded, Tremper, ORange?

Because then we would have a bunch of silly acronyms to account for pattern variations in the same gecko instead of one silly acronym?

 

[Northstar Herp]

Why not just call it a RABTOR = Red-eyed, Albino, Banded, Tremper, ORange?

This is why I was thinking it made a difference how the genetics work. If "patternless" is a both a stripe and a reverse stripe and the banded animal has both those genes, then wouldn't you have to retain the "p"? But if the banded leo doesn't have those genes, then from the definition given, it's not "patternless". Maybe looking back on it, they should have just called it "Pizazz", then we could still have a cool name without the confusion.

How do stripe and reverse stripe work genetically?