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wout1977
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does anyone off you all already seen or bred bell blazing blizzard??
a pic would be nice!
a pic would be nice!
That would be KelliH 
:main_yes: breed aleast one not sure if there's any more ? i beleave it past away ? so not sure if there are any out there but they would be very,very rare.Here's A picture in the link below the only one i've ever seen 4th picture down it's small though not sure if KelliH has a larger one .
http://www.hisss.net/collection_leos.shtml
:main_yes: breed aleast one not sure if there's any more ? i beleave it past away ? so not sure if there are any out there but they would be very,very rare.Here's A picture in the link below the only one i've ever seen 4th picture down it's small though not sure if KelliH has a larger one .http://www.hisss.net/collection_leos.shtml
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Hopefully Kelli will post in this thread... She is the only person to ever hatch one. I wonder if she is still working on that project?
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wout1977
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it looks terribly awsome in that small pic though
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Thanks for the link. So she sold off her double hets?
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kelli only had one. and it died from an eye infection (or an infection of sorts)
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I remember her having the double hets up for sale awhile ago. I don't know if she sold them or not.
okapi said:
Not exactly... The group that was for sale was Bells het Blizzard, Blizzards het Bell and I think there was Bells 66% het Blizzard and Blizzards 66% het Bell. I'm pretty sure there wasn't double hets listed.
If Paul Sage did get the group we should definitely see Bell Blazings this year!
There were several double hets in the project, and all of the visual albinos and blizzards were possible hets for the opposing trait.420Geckos said:
Don't hold your breath. They aren't very prolific animals and I'm having trouble proving out any of the possible hets. I'm sure we'll see more Bell Blazings eventually though.420Geckos said:
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PaulSage said:
Would you please be so kind as to elaborate on your "They aren't very prolific animals" comment.
Does this mean they're not breeding? Eggs are coming up infertile? The genetic odds are not working in your favour or working out as calculated?
What's up?
If you don't want to divulge this info then that's OK...
I don't mind elaborating. Usually I elaborate too much. lol
Some of the females will go through multiple ovulation cycles but not start laying eggs even though they've been paired repeatedly with a male. Some of the females won't even ovulate. There are also a few females that will only lay 2-3 clutches and quit. I think there's at least two females who only lay one egg at a time, too.
Last year and the beginning of this year there were a lot of infertile eggs. In the past month or so it seems that the fertility rate has increased significantly though, so I'm hoping that will help to at least prove out some of the possible hets. In the past two weeks there have been a few females who have just started laying eggs for the first time as well.
Some of the females will go through multiple ovulation cycles but not start laying eggs even though they've been paired repeatedly with a male. Some of the females won't even ovulate. There are also a few females that will only lay 2-3 clutches and quit. I think there's at least two females who only lay one egg at a time, too.
Last year and the beginning of this year there were a lot of infertile eggs. In the past month or so it seems that the fertility rate has increased significantly though, so I'm hoping that will help to at least prove out some of the possible hets. In the past two weeks there have been a few females who have just started laying eggs for the first time as well.
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2.1SRR.YYC
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PaulSage said:
Is this a common problem?
Have others been trying to create Bell BB?
Seems to me that achieving a Bell BB should be no different that achieving a Tremper BB or RW BB?
I know, I know...easier said than done and maybe I'm missing something from another thread but WTF?
Is there some kind of genetic block taking place or maybe bells are just too new to have gotten that far yet?
Sorry if this has been beaten to death already but my curiosity has been peaked! I have no intention of travelling down this path but instead I'm more curious about the genetics involved.
Paul,
Are you breeding double het x double het and trying to prove out the offspring?
If this is the case you would result in the following:
6.25% WT
12.5% Het. Blizzard,
6.25% Homozygous Blizzard,
12.5% Het. Albino,
25% Het. Albino, Het. Blizzard,
12.5% Het. Albino, Homozygous Blizzard,
6.25% Homozygous Albino,
12.5% Homozygous Albino, Het. Blizzard,
6.25% Homozygous Albino, Homozygous Blizzard,
You would need to prove out the following offspring as the others would be visible WT or Albino...correct?
6.25% Homozygous Blizzard,
12.5% Het. Albino, Homozygous Blizzard,
6.25% Homozygous Albino, Homozygous Blizzard,
How would you go about proving the Homozygous Albino, Homozygous Blizzard?
Breed to a know pure homozygous Albino and all offspring should be visible Albino AND Breed to a know pure homozygous Blizzard and all offspring should be visible Blizzard? Any other flavour of offspring and you have missed the mark?
Now that I've looked at what's involved I see why it may be taking sooooo lonnnnnnnng...:main_laugh:
Whoa okay, deep breath. :main_laugh:
I have bred:
Double Het x Double Het
Double Het x Bell 66%ph Blizzard
Double Het x Blizzard 66%ph Bell
Bell 66%ph Blizzard x Blizzard 66%ph Bell
Blizzard 66%ph Bell x Bell 66%ph Blizzard
I have been holding back any visual offspring to prove them out for the opposing trait as well as a few of the double hets.
I guess I don't understand the question(s).
I know that a few other breeders have worked (or are working) on the Bell Blazing morph, but since no others have been produced (to the best of my knowledge) I would say that yes, it is a common problem.2.1SRR.YYC said:
In theory, it shouldn't be more difficult than any other double recessive morph. But we have to keep in mind that the Bell albinos are the "newest" strain of albinism. The Tremper and Rainwater Blazings didn't exactly happen overnight either; they've just been around longer.2.1SRR.YYC said:
Since Kelli has produced one, I don't at this point believe that there is a genetic "block" affecting the morph. We haven't seen a Bell PA yet either, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible.2.1SRR.YYC said:
2.1SRR.YYC said:
I have bred:
Double Het x Double Het
Double Het x Bell 66%ph Blizzard
Double Het x Blizzard 66%ph Bell
Bell 66%ph Blizzard x Blizzard 66%ph Bell
Blizzard 66%ph Bell x Bell 66%ph Blizzard
I have been holding back any visual offspring to prove them out for the opposing trait as well as a few of the double hets.
Do you mean how would one be certain that a hatchling was homozygous for both traits? If so, it's pretty obvious when blizzards hatch if they're also homozygous for albino. Blazings don't have the dark pigment seen on hatchling blizzards, and the Bells would have red eyes.2.1SRR.YYC said:
2.1SRR.YYC said:
I guess I don't understand the question(s).
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2.1SRR.YYC
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Paul,
As you can clearly tell I've never breed geckos for the BB trait before in fact I've never even hatched a gecko before, I'm simply trying to understand the "proving out" process. I was not aware that a phenotype of Blizzard and a phenotype of Blazing Blizzard would be so obvious that you would not have to prove it out. I was trying to figure how you would know that you have a BB baby. My bad...
It seems odd that you would start with anything that is not already proven. Four of the five pairings you mention have a "possible" het trait component. Is this OK? Wouldn't it be better to prove the traits first and then move on?
Thanks for taking the time to respond...I'm learning a lot. I hope some others are finding this useful as well. This is the kind of information that is hard to find online. If anyone can point to a good online resource for "proving out" traits I would really appreciate it...I'm big on self help!:main_yes:
As you can clearly tell I've never breed geckos for the BB trait before in fact I've never even hatched a gecko before, I'm simply trying to understand the "proving out" process. I was not aware that a phenotype of Blizzard and a phenotype of Blazing Blizzard would be so obvious that you would not have to prove it out. I was trying to figure how you would know that you have a BB baby. My bad...
It seems odd that you would start with anything that is not already proven. Four of the five pairings you mention have a "possible" het trait component. Is this OK? Wouldn't it be better to prove the traits first and then move on?
Thanks for taking the time to respond...I'm learning a lot. I hope some others are finding this useful as well. This is the kind of information that is hard to find online. If anyone can point to a good online resource for "proving out" traits I would really appreciate it...I'm big on self help!:main_yes:
420Geckos said:
What? That's what these are:
Why would I breed them to 0% hets if I can prove two geckos out at once?
No worries, Steve. I had the same questions when I first started trying to figure out genetics. :main_yes:2.1SRR.YYC said:
I see what you mean, but the only way to prove out a possible het is to breed it to a homozygous animal. Well, I suppose you could breed a possible het to a 100% het, but it cuts your chances in half. Anywho, that's exactly what I'm doing by breeding a Bell 66%ph Bliz. to a Bliz 66%ph Bell -- I'm just trying to prove out two animals at once.2.1SRR.YYC said:
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