bell blazings

[boutiquegecko]

Why do you think it's so hard to get bell blazings? Are the blizzard and that albino gene just not as compatible as the others? It just seems that with all the breeders who are working on this, it's hard to believe only one has been hatched out so far. Makes me wonder about the bell gene in general and how different it looks from the other albinos.

 

[Ian S.]

Producing the bell blazing ok ok should be no harder than producing the trempers or rainwater blazings. I beleive the Tremper and Las vegas also took extraordinary amounts of double het breedings before the blazings were actually produced. Keep in mind also that the other two strains had a bit of a head start on the bells. I'm not exactly sure why the blizzard gene seems so fruitless to combine with other recessive morphs. It's partially knowing what your doing and partially luck. Something tells me that we'll start to see them by the end of this year or next at the latest.:main_thumbsup:

 

[Grinning Geckos]

I don't know about that Ian! Kelli produced ONE Bell Blazing awhile back, which (sadly) died. There hasn't been another one since. I'm sure Kelli can give a LOT more input into this, but I don't think it's as simple as making a Tremper or LV Blazing.

 

[boutiquegecko]

I didn't realize her male died. Hope she got a breeding or two in. I realize that the others got a head start, but only one had been produced. Unless someone's hiding a bunch and not letting on. Maybe Kelli can shed some light on the subject when she get's a chance, or another breeder working on this. I was going to takle this morph, but it's so daunting to me when larger scale breeders are just having no luck. I mean if it was as easy as the trempers and lv why aren't there any around. Something has to be going wrong along the gene line.

 

[Ian S.]

I don't know about that Ian! Kelli produced ONE Bell Blazing awhile back, which (sadly) died. There hasn't been another one since. I'm sure Kelli can give a LOT more input into this, but I don't think it's as simple as making a Tremper or LV Blazing.

That really doesn't make any sense to me. Some insight would be helpfull. After all a recessive gene is a recessive gene NO?? Double recessives have been known to prove fruitless for years before hatching the desired trait, in other species. Maybe this will just simply be one of them. It can't have anything to do with the bell line for we have many double recessive morphs such as bell hybinos, jungle bells,striped bells, etc. etc.

 

[PrototypeGeckos]

I stumbled upon this over on Reptile Auctions and thought it would go good here, apparently there are some BBB's out there, haha. I think they are mistaken on what line albino these came from :main_yes:

http://www.reptileauctions.com/CB-B...d-Gecko-Pair,itemname,55300,id,auctiondetails

 

[ByRandom]

Actually I have contacted Exotic Pets Wholesale numerous times. They seem to be stubborn to change their ads. As I explained to them Mark and Kim Bell have a line of albinism named after them. That, just because they acquired their animals (Tremper Blazing Blizzards) from Mark and Kim Bell, they are in no way related to the Bell Albino. They responded back that they are the "Bell's line of Blazing Blizzards" and that they had no intentions of changing their ad.

So to sum it up, they have Blazing Blizzards from the Bells (as the Bells due breed and sell wholesale), but they are of the Tremper strain.

 

[Gazz]

I stumbled upon this over on Reptile Auctions and thought it would go good here, apparently there are some BBB's out there, haha. I think they are mistaken on what line albino these came from :main_yes:

http://www.reptileauctions.com/CB-B...d-Gecko-Pair,itemname,55300,id,auctiondetails

I think this i a cross wire as the add dosn't say Bell albino just bell line.When i brought my blazing blizzard it was bell that he got from direct from bell.When i email the seller when i found out how rare BBB's was.He mailed bell' i was then imformed that mine was tremper albino that was BRED by Bell him self my BB was defantly tremper albino just bred by bell.

Also bell albino doesn't seem to gell with patternless i've not even seen a bell patternless-(are there any out there).And only one picture of a bell blazzing blizzard-(KelliH).

 

[yellermelon]

Well I purchased a bizz het BB (blizz het trempor) from garrick when he was sell BB for 1000 or so. FZrom what Ive read the bell gene just doesnt "blend" as well as other albino genes. Could be from its origins (wich I dont know) I know the bells produced them..but dont know the story. Anyway..Im rambling again with no point sorry.

 

[robin]

I stumbled upon this over on Reptile Auctions and thought it would go good here, apparently there are some BBB's out there, haha. I think they are mistaken on what line albino these came from :main_yes:

http://www.reptileauctions.com/CB-B...d-Gecko-Pair,itemname,55300,id,auctiondetails

can you say "dark eyes"?

 

[garweft]

There is a good possibility that the Blizzard gene is on the same chromosome as the Bell albino gene (possibly with the Murphy patternless, Tremper albino, and LV albino as well). When you breed a Bell albino to a blizzard you would get double hets as expected. However, the chromosome pair that carries the trait would have the albino allele and the blizzard allele on opposite chromosomes.

This would create a big problem in producing any visible, double homozygous, bell blazing blizzards. This is because the double hets would carry both genes, but would not be able to pass on both genes at the same time. Because they only pass on one of their chromosomes out of each pair, they would either give their offspring an albino or blizzard gene. Both parents need to pass on both traits to get the visible BBB, and that's hard to do when you can only pass on one or the other.

In order to produce a visible you would need to get lucky and have a process called crossover create the needed chromosome. The odds on this happening are based on a few things including the distance between the two loci on the chromosome, as well as a little luck.

 

[eyelids]

It's been said several times before; the likely reason one hasn't been made is because this cross hasn't been worked with as long as the other two strains of albino.

 

[mark97r1]

It's been said several times before; the likely reason one hasn't been made is because this cross hasn't been worked with as long as the other two strains of albino.

Says it all. I think it really is as simple as that.
I remember the first Tremper BB and it took alot of working with to get them. They are only so common now because people get them from BB instead of albino x blizzard crosses.

Mark

 

[nevinm]

ive said this befor, adn now i know atleast 5 other people on this page(pretty respectable breeders) that agree with me, that the bell strain is decantly hard to cross with other morphs. im sure theres ganna be a couple people that dont agree with me. but i stand by that firmly.
nevin

 

[bro paul]

It's been said several times before; the likely reason one hasn't been made is because this cross hasn't been worked with as long as the other two strains of albino.

I "currently" agree with Michael here...but I suppose time will tell. We know it can be done cause Kelli did produce them. I'm working hard on a similar project...the Patternless Bells and to date, no luck. BUT, I agree with the time issue. For example...very few people breed double het Tremper x Patternless any more because there is no need to (you can get a Tremper Patty easily on the market now)...but I did cross a bunch of double hets this season for a different project and I've yet to get ONE tremper or patternless hatchling...only normals (out of about 30 babies so far)! I've done better than that with my patty x bell double hets...at least I've produced a few bells and a few patternless. Who knows...maybe the Bell gene is harder to combine with other traits...or maybe it just hasn't been focused on for as long. Like Nevin said above...the bell gene is hard to combine with other morphs...I just don't know that it is any hard than Tremper and RW were back in the day

 

[PaulSage]

Like Nevin said above...the bell gene is hard to combine with other morphs...

I'd agree that it's hard to combine with other recessive morphs. There doesn't seem to have been much trouble crossing Bells with mack snows and Enigmas. However, in those situations you don't have to guess at whether a Bell is a possible het for mack snow or Enigma.