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KellyTCS
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Darn it! I wanted to do project that would create this!
marula
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look like a cross with some eublepharis fuscus...some breeder try to mix leo and fuscus for create the black morph.....
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That is not a black mack, it is a dark line breed snow from Razorback exotics. From my understanding he gets his line snows from Lizard Lair.
My female LS is from Razorback and I know he bought it from Shelly @ LL, he told me so. MY male LS is from Big Easy Geckos and his geckos came from Albey's line. I haven't produced any dark LS snows but the couple that did hatch came out with solid black eyes but have since changed to normal with age. I plan on breeding them back to the parents to see if I can't get anything recesive to pop out.
My female LS is from Razorback and I know he bought it from Shelly @ LL, he told me so. MY male LS is from Big Easy Geckos and his geckos came from Albey's line. I haven't produced any dark LS snows but the couple that did hatch came out with solid black eyes but have since changed to normal with age. I plan on breeding them back to the parents to see if I can't get anything recesive to pop out.
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Hey whatever it is, it ain't too pretty.
preacherman
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According to his ad, that is a dark Mack Snow. I've hatched out several that were very dark like that. Some of their ads aren't very clear, and can be a little misleading, if you ask me
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piranah
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Hi all,
The Black Mack in that ad is indeed a Black Mack co-dom Snow. It is only there to represent what it's brothers and sisters could be carrying genetically. Only four of the Black Macks have been produced so far and only one of these four has retained the black pigmenting while the rest ended up with an unusual amount of black spotting and peppering. In fact, the darkest one only has black, dark shades of grays, and some white, with no yellowing at all, even when kept on a hot spot of 92 degrees. We ran several temperature test of hot and cold on all of them this year before deciding that it was ok to post the picture of our Black Mack. We did not want to find out that the unusual dark coloration was due to cool temps like you might find with the Midnight Blizzards. Since early last year we have been sending RT pictures of any dark pigmented babies to see if we are on the right track with possibly creating a black morph. Since RT was the only one who has ever possessed or even seen a black morph we though that his opinion was most important in our research. This Black Mack is the only morph that seemed to get RT's attention the most. Since, the genetics of Leopard Geckos seem to follow those of the Ball Pythons we figure that it only would make sense that the co-dom Snows would be the most likely and the quickest pathway to achieving a solid black morph. However, this is only the beginning of the work that is ahead of us. We still have to breed this Black Mack to everything to find out what combinations will eventually create a truly solid black Leopard Gecko morph.
Also, we only have two breeder line-bred Snows that came from LizardLair the rest of our line Snow breeders come from either private local breeders or reptile shows.
Sorry if our ads might seem to be misleading as this is not our intentions at all.:main_thumbsup:
The Black Mack in that ad is indeed a Black Mack co-dom Snow. It is only there to represent what it's brothers and sisters could be carrying genetically. Only four of the Black Macks have been produced so far and only one of these four has retained the black pigmenting while the rest ended up with an unusual amount of black spotting and peppering. In fact, the darkest one only has black, dark shades of grays, and some white, with no yellowing at all, even when kept on a hot spot of 92 degrees. We ran several temperature test of hot and cold on all of them this year before deciding that it was ok to post the picture of our Black Mack. We did not want to find out that the unusual dark coloration was due to cool temps like you might find with the Midnight Blizzards. Since early last year we have been sending RT pictures of any dark pigmented babies to see if we are on the right track with possibly creating a black morph. Since RT was the only one who has ever possessed or even seen a black morph we though that his opinion was most important in our research. This Black Mack is the only morph that seemed to get RT's attention the most. Since, the genetics of Leopard Geckos seem to follow those of the Ball Pythons we figure that it only would make sense that the co-dom Snows would be the most likely and the quickest pathway to achieving a solid black morph. However, this is only the beginning of the work that is ahead of us. We still have to breed this Black Mack to everything to find out what combinations will eventually create a truly solid black Leopard Gecko morph.
Also, we only have two breeder line-bred Snows that came from LizardLair the rest of our line Snow breeders come from either private local breeders or reptile shows.
Sorry if our ads might seem to be misleading as this is not our intentions at all.:main_thumbsup:
preacherman
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Thanks for the post, David, and for the great pics. As I said, I've produced some dark Macks, but the one you posted above is by far the darkest I've seen. A solid black leo is something that I would love to see! The closest I've seen so far is "midnight blizzard" that Garrick DeMeyer (www.crestedgecko.com) produced. I've seen a couple in person that are very close to charcoal black. Anyways, good luck with your project, and keep us posted as to your progress.
By the way, I didn't mean anything negative about your ads, just got a little confused by a couple of them is all. I didn't mean to suggest that your intent was to be misleading
By the way, I didn't mean anything negative about your ads, just got a little confused by a couple of them is all. I didn't mean to suggest that your intent was to be misleading
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Personally, I would LOVE to see a solid, velvet black leo!
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I think it's very pretty! And I'm usually not that crazy about snows!
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Sorry I must have confused the black mack ad with his line snow ad .
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KellyTCS
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I want to have create some solid black leos. Maybe I'll get some co-dom Snows. I'll have to learn more about them first.
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Not on the black mack thing but leos do strange things, Ive had some be dark as mud with 92 belly heat and go to a new home and turn bright as the sun. Not saying the genetics are not there but there is still a lot to be known all the way around.
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piranah
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:main_robin: Yeah ... I was afraid of the possibility of a color change so we did all sorts of temp tests to be absolutely sure that what we were seeing was indeed black. Another concern for us was the normal yellowing that usually occurs with the Mack Snows as they age. We waited until they were at least three to four months old before showing any of them to RT or even discussing them with anyone else. Even our closes friends were not made aware of them. In the past we have seen a lot of people who thought they might have the beginnings to a new morph in their possessions and only later to find out that they really had nothing at all. Loosing face was not an option for us and we figured that they wait would be well worth it in the end.
Jason, I was not offended at all and I understand completely. Sometimes I do tend to get carried away with the ads a bit. Comments are always welcomed and much food for thought in the end. After all, it was Oscar Wilde who said "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about" If you are still interested in acquiring a pair of ruby-eyed Blazing Blizzards you can find them on Steve Sykes website at www.geckosetc.com . I must confess that if you are really interested in something we produce but do not have any to offer at the time that you really need to ride my heels a bit or I will completely forget. Let me know if you are still interested in them or if you do acquire some.:main_yes:
Brian, it's no real biggie. I use to think that a carrot-tail Leopard and a African fat-tail was the same animal. At the time I couldn't understand what the big deal was between the two that they need to be placed into separate categories.
I tried to take brighter pictures today but not for you skeptics but because I wanted to see for myself what the camera captures. Sometimes the camera can lie and sometimes it tells a better truth. Knowing whether it's a truth or a lie depends on what side you stand on. Now, for myself, when it comes to looking at pictures, I will be the first to say that I am a pessimist. You can thank the reptile industry for that.
The first picture is the blackest Mack we have so far. Now, before there are those that will state that it does not look very dark let me start by saying you are right and I know. I never said that it is a solid black Mack. It's possibly the beginning of something that has yet to be made. Also, as many of you already understand, Leopard Geckos can shift their color a bit from being lighter to being darker depending on factors and temperature being the main one. Also, the amount of lighting the camera takes in plays a big factor too. I have not the time nor the energy to take those wonderful studio quality pictures that are filled with bright light either. What is interesting about this first gecko is not so much that it has retained so much black on him but that he has not an ounce of yellowing on him. Any slight yellow that is seen is because apparently, and to my shock, he had a field day playing in his water and then in his Vionate and calcium powder. It was so caked on him that I had to give him a bath before taking his picture and I might not of gotten it all off of him. This really goes for all of the following pictures too. Also, all of the geckos posted below are indeed related to each other and have the same father Mack Snow and mother Mack Snow. The parents to these breeder Mack Snows (the father and mother to the Black Mack) that were used are as follows. The mother was a second or third generation normal leopard gecko that I purchased as a yearling about twelve years ago from a local friend of mine. The father was a Super Snow that we did not own. We have no idea if the Super Snow that was used was het for any type of morph other than normal. You will have to contact Shelly at LizardLair for that information for at the time it was never mentioned.
The second picture is one of the Black Macks that later lightened up and stayed that ways unfortunately. However, it does have a huge amount of spots and peppering on her and she will be used in our project. After all, it couldn't hurt.
Sorry for the long post but I'm mainly a lurker than a poster and I was trying to cover all aspects that I could think of.
Jason, I was not offended at all and I understand completely. Sometimes I do tend to get carried away with the ads a bit. Comments are always welcomed and much food for thought in the end. After all, it was Oscar Wilde who said "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about" If you are still interested in acquiring a pair of ruby-eyed Blazing Blizzards you can find them on Steve Sykes website at www.geckosetc.com . I must confess that if you are really interested in something we produce but do not have any to offer at the time that you really need to ride my heels a bit or I will completely forget. Let me know if you are still interested in them or if you do acquire some.:main_yes:
Brian, it's no real biggie. I use to think that a carrot-tail Leopard and a African fat-tail was the same animal. At the time I couldn't understand what the big deal was between the two that they need to be placed into separate categories.
I tried to take brighter pictures today but not for you skeptics but because I wanted to see for myself what the camera captures. Sometimes the camera can lie and sometimes it tells a better truth. Knowing whether it's a truth or a lie depends on what side you stand on. Now, for myself, when it comes to looking at pictures, I will be the first to say that I am a pessimist. You can thank the reptile industry for that.
The first picture is the blackest Mack we have so far. Now, before there are those that will state that it does not look very dark let me start by saying you are right and I know. I never said that it is a solid black Mack. It's possibly the beginning of something that has yet to be made. Also, as many of you already understand, Leopard Geckos can shift their color a bit from being lighter to being darker depending on factors and temperature being the main one. Also, the amount of lighting the camera takes in plays a big factor too. I have not the time nor the energy to take those wonderful studio quality pictures that are filled with bright light either. What is interesting about this first gecko is not so much that it has retained so much black on him but that he has not an ounce of yellowing on him. Any slight yellow that is seen is because apparently, and to my shock, he had a field day playing in his water and then in his Vionate and calcium powder. It was so caked on him that I had to give him a bath before taking his picture and I might not of gotten it all off of him. This really goes for all of the following pictures too. Also, all of the geckos posted below are indeed related to each other and have the same father Mack Snow and mother Mack Snow. The parents to these breeder Mack Snows (the father and mother to the Black Mack) that were used are as follows. The mother was a second or third generation normal leopard gecko that I purchased as a yearling about twelve years ago from a local friend of mine. The father was a Super Snow that we did not own. We have no idea if the Super Snow that was used was het for any type of morph other than normal. You will have to contact Shelly at LizardLair for that information for at the time it was never mentioned.
The second picture is one of the Black Macks that later lightened up and stayed that ways unfortunately. However, it does have a huge amount of spots and peppering on her and she will be used in our project. After all, it couldn't hurt.
Sorry for the long post but I'm mainly a lurker than a poster and I was trying to cover all aspects that I could think of.
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piranah
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Here a few more of the Black Mack I took today. Lighting does effect the quality of the look of this animal. Of course the best way to see this Mack is to see it in person. UVB light makes it look too dark while bright light makes it look too washed out and over highlights it. You will have to be the judge.
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All I have to say that is a beautiful gecko and congrats!
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KellyTCS
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Yeah, no kidding.
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