Blizzards

[gezzmo]

hi

what can i get from a cross between a normal blizzard male and a blazing blizzard female, and the same male and a midnight blizzard??

 

[Gazz]

hi

what can i get from a cross between a normal blizzard male and a blazing blizzard female, and the same male and a midnight blizzard??

Blizzard X blazing blizzard = 100% blizzard het blazing blizzard.

Blizzard X midnight blizzard = 100% blizzard as midnights are not a proven or is it fully understud what a midnight is ie genetic/incubater temp'etc'etc ? so not a really a reconize blizzard morph.But you may find one or two of the blizzard offspring darker than the others i'm not saying the strain does or doesn't exsist it's just not 100% proven so as a rule really they should not be classed a separate blizzard strain.

 

[Ian S.]

Blizzard x Blazing blizzard = blizzards het for blazing blizzard.
Blizzard x Blizzard = blizzards

 

[Gregg M]

"Midnight blizzard" + Blizzard = blizzard because there is no real morph called a midnight blizzard... That is just a catchy name that some breeders and dealers are putting on dark blizzards so they can sucker people in and sell them for double or tripple the price... The sad thing is that people are falling right into it...

Blizzard + Blazing blizzard = 100% blizzard het for albino...

 

[gezzmo]

thanks

i knew that thing about the midnights, i wanna know if i'll get dark blizzards or light blizzards.

 

[gezzmo]

one more thing, the male is from a friend, and he said me that he was a blizzard, but i'm not shore, what do you think?

 

[Gazz]

one more thing, the male is from a friend, and he said me that he was a blizzard, but i'm not shore, what do you think?

Hummmmmmmm i'm thinking it could very well be patternless ?? either that or a very yellowish blizzard got any baby pictures of him ??.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

It looks more like a patternless to me, too... but it could be just a very yellow blizzard.

 

[trizzypballr]

im gonna have to 3rd the patternless on that one, its a possibility that it could be a true banana blizzard though (patternless * blizzard)

 

[Ian S.]

I'd say patternless.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Looks like you are gonna hatch Blizzards. Hehe

About this Blizzard thing: I think that by now (3 years later from when I first saw them) whoever is selling/working with "midnight" Blizzards, is selective breeding the darker ones together. I do not see any reason why it is not possible to make selectively bred darker Blizzards.

I do not know for sure, if dark Blizzard X dark Blizzard will give you a larger number of dark Blizzards, but I think that is all they are saying they have done w/ the "midnights".

Nothing wrong with dark Blizzards, unless you payed alot more for them I mean.

 

[gezzmo]

if it's a patternless? what can a get from Blizzard x Patternless

 

[Gazz]

if it's a patternless? what can a get from Blizzard x Patternless

patternless X blizzard = 100% normal het blizzard & patternless.

then breed

normal het bliz & patty X normal het bliz & patty = blizzards poss hets,patternless poss het,normals poss hets and a 1in 16 chance of a blizzard/patternless.

 

[crs]

that is a patternless

 

[Gazz]

Looks like you are gonna hatch Blizzards. Hehe

About this Blizzard thing: I think that by now (3 years later from when I first saw them) whoever is selling/working with "midnight" Blizzards, is selective breeding the darker ones together. I do not see any reason why it is not possible to make selectively bred darker Blizzards.

I do not know for sure, if dark Blizzard X dark Blizzard will give you a larger number of dark Blizzards, but I think that is all they are saying they have done w/ the "midnights".

Nothing wrong with dark Blizzards, unless you payed alot more for them I mean.

I've got a intresting chaptor in a book somthing along the lines of if you incubate dark get hatch's dark hatchings with these darker hatchings it then bounce's onto a genetic behavior so by breeding the darks it results in darker babys regardless of incubator temp so maybe there is somthing there in the midnight i wonder if that maybe the same for result for Dookie browns-(choco's) incubate to get the first dookie but is it needed after that point ? will a dookie X regular albino give dookie's even in higher incubated temp ? or maybe even will a dookie X normal non albino give you darker normals offspring ?.Anyway i'll try and scan the chaptor tomorrow so you can read it you self the auther of the book is Philippe de Vosjoli and from what i've read he is a well respected herpitoligist.

 

[trizzypballr]

Everyone is throwing a stink about midnight blizzards, if they are linebred to be dark, whats awrong with calling them midnights then? Its kinda like tangerines, you have your average tangs, and then you have your TANG TANGS. Maybe blizzards have more than one gene going on, maybe the recessive gene just allows some type of polygenic gene to show? blizzards can have line bred yellow in them, they can be linebred dark, there oviously is something else going on

 

[Gregg M]

Everyone is throwing a stink about midnight blizzards, if they are linebred to be dark, whats awrong with calling them midnights then? Its kinda like tangerines, you have your average tangs, and then you have your TANG TANGS. Maybe blizzards have more than one gene going on, maybe the recessive gene just allows some type of polygenic gene to show? blizzards can have line bred yellow in them, they can be linebred dark, there oviously is something else going on

Whats wrong with calling a dark blizzard a midnight blizzard??? Well it causes a bit of confusion for one and for two, people have been trying to sell "midnights" for like $300 each... Even $150 would be too much... They are just normal blizzards... In other words, animals should be given a high priced "morph status" unless it is a proven morph...

When you put two smokin SHTCTBs together the large majority of the time you will get smokin SHTCTB hatchlings... That is a genetically proven morph...
When you put two "midnights" together, you get mostly normal looking blizzards...

I highly doubt there is "something else going on" in a genetic scence... What could be going on is low incubation temps or incubation temp fluctuations...

The fact is they have been around for what, 4 or 5 years and they have not proven to be a "linebred" blizzard morph... The same goes for the yellow blizzards unless they are TRUE banana blizzards.... You would think in like 4 generations you would see some consistancy...

They are just variable and their color is just a random thing....

 

[Gazz]

The same goes for the yellow blizzards unless they are TRUE banana blizzards.... You would think in like 4 generations you would see some consistancy...

They are just variable and their color is just a random thing....

Have to disagree there you breed a hi yellow bliz to a hi yellow blizzard it dose result in hi yellow bliz that's genetic.If a hi yellow bliz doesn't exsist nither do standed hi yellow leo both made the same way.breeding yellow to yellow to yellow 'etc'etc'etc will make it strong enough to be a genetic trait.The same Can be don't by breeding black to black to black 'etc'etc'etc it's just not strong enough hold yet to be classed as a seperate blizzard strain that's all give it around another 5 or so years it will happen and be true and strong blizzard trait to meney people are trying to do it for it not to happen.

 

[Gazz]

I've got a intresting chaptor in a book somthing along the lines of if you incubate dark get hatch's dark hatchings with these darker hatchings it then bounce's onto a genetic behavior so by breeding the darks it results in darker babys regardless of incubator temp so maybe there is somthing there in the midnight i wonder if that maybe the same for result for Dookie browns-(choco's) incubate to get the first dookie but is it needed after that point ? will a dookie X regular albino give dookie's even in higher incubated temp ? or maybe even will a dookie X normal non albino give you darker normals offspring ?.Anyway i'll try and scan the chaptor tomorrow so you can read it you self the auther of the book is Philippe de Vosjoli and from what i've read he is a well respected herpitoligist.

Here you go .

 

[Gregg M]

Have to disagree there you breed a hi yellow bliz to a hi yellow blizzard it dose result in hi yellow bliz that's genetic.If a hi yellow bliz doesn't exsist nither do standed hi yellow leo both made the same way.breeding yellow to yellow to yellow 'etc'etc'etc will make it strong enough to be a genetic trait.The same Can be don't by breeding black to black to black 'etc'etc'etc it's just not strong enough hold yet to be classed as a seperate blizzard strain that's all give it around another 5 or so years it will happen and be true and strong blizzard trait to meney people are trying to do it for it not to happen.

I dont buy it dude... It is just too variable... They have been since they "came out"....

High yellows, tangerines and hypos were in my opinion not the result of line breeding... They were more so the result of locality spacific traits that were in wild populations or actual subspecies to begin with that were combined or incorperated into eachother... These are either dominant, co-dominant or incomplete dominant traits... You dont think that the leopard geckos we have in captivity now are full blooded Eublepharis macularius, do you??? You really cant compare those traits with a recessive gene like the blizzard...

The blizzard gene is a recessive gene that almost eliminates and natural coloration... I think the only way to relibly get color into a blizzard is with another rcessive gene like the patternless...

Like I said, I doubt it will happen but if it does, that would be fine with me...