Calcium

[ks7777]

Is this stuff okay to keep in a dish in the lizards cage? I seen some people doing it but I am not sure.

 

[ks7777]

I guess it's not okay to keep a thing of this in a dish because I had woke up in the middle of the night and I found him laying face down in the calcium dish dead, cried myself to sleep and when I woke up I thought it was a dream, but it wasn't I don't think I am getting a new lizard for a while. RIP Leo 2009-2011.

 

[SDCowboy]

I highly doubt it was the calcium. That's the same stuff I leave in the tank.

 

[ks7777]

I highly doubt it was the calcium. That's the same stuff I leave in the tank.

I had looked into it, I think he overdosed on the D3...

 

[M_surinamensis]

I had looked into it, I think he overdosed on the D3...

The leopard gecko you had been posting about? With the eye problems (untreated), the anorexia (untreated), the uncontrolled and unmonitored environmental conditions (ongoing), which you were keeping on loose sand, hydrating with "enhanced water" which had lost one (or both?) hemipenes and that you have had problems with since December of 2009, without really correcting any of the issues or listening to any of the information or advice you were given in that time?

[eyerollingsarcasm]Yeah, I bet it was the calcium powder. Acute vitamin overdose seems like the only possibly explanation.[/eyerollingsarcasm]

 

[hotnickles96]

I'm sorry to say but I agree with M_surinamensis. You have been having a multitude of problems with this leo. A mixture of things left untreated, concerning husbandry,home remedy and a questionable vet visit. Im sorry for your loss but, There has been a lot of people who have given you advice and you seemed to pick and choose and ignore. I HIGHLY doubt that it was a calcium overdose. If you dusted your feeders your leo would know that it didn't need calcium. If you didn't dust your feeders, your leo would know when to stop. Its kind of like knowing when to go to the warm or cool end of the tank.
Again sorry for your loss. Use this time to do a a lot of research and see what you can improve and be extremely well prepared for a new gecko if you so choose to get one.

 

[roger]

REMOVED

Please leave this forum if you cant keep your mouth in check,your poor husbundry was the culprit.You failed to give your leo proper care.that is absurd to think calcium was to blame.DO NOT buy a new leo until you do some research on leos!!!

 

[M_surinamensis]

he was doing fine this week and had no problems. He's face down in the calcium dish with his mouth full of calcium what is the other... explanation

He wasn't "doing fine." Your own posts made it evident that he hadn't been "doing fine" for a long, long time. He was made ill through about a year and a half of constant neglect. There isn't enough D3 in a single bottle of calcium supplement to cause an acute fatal overdose even if he were to have eaten the entire thing over night, vitamin toxicity is very rare and a result of constant buildup and overdosing. Your animal wasn't eating enough of anything to experience a D3 overdose.

The "other explanation" is that he finally died as a result of the abusive mistreatment he suffered under while in your care. You do not get to blame this on a vitamin supplement. You need to accept your culpability in his conditions and his death, your substandard care, your refusal to correct his problems and provide him with the medical treatment and environment he needed to be healthy is what caused his untimely death. You did this to an animal because you were too stubborn to listen and too lazy to do the right things for him. Now you get to own that guilt. It is (literally) the absolute least you can do.

but now your turning a sad day into anger so if you have nothing nice to say just get out.

You're angry?! You? How dare you have the audacity to be angry in this situation? You don't have the right. You just slowly killed an animal through torturous neglect, you don't get to be angry. You get to be shameful.

I just browsed through your posting history here, all those threads you had written over the last eighteen months. You were a constant source of damaging, hurtful, abusive conditions for this animal and you ignored or fought with people who tried to help, to educate you, to tell you what you needed to do to save this gecko. Hundreds and hundreds of posts, they wrote. Hundreds of hours of time they wasted, pouring out their advice and their knowledge. All you had to do was read it and pay attention, you couldn't even do that.

You know what... they'll do it again too, because they're good people who actually cared about the health of your animal. Cared about it a lot more than you did. This is their time to be angry and sad, to lament the gecko that they couldn't save from you.

You are the reason some people stop trying to help. Your behaviors have been a disgusting display of ignorance and the only result of it all is an animal that died a slow, painful death when it didn't have to. You can't even learn from this experience, you're going to twist it around and blame it on calcium dust. Just... utterly reprehensible. The English language doesn't have words strong enough to express my contempt for what you have accomplished today. My only consolation is that the death of this gecko means he's no longer suffering every second of every day under your ownership. Lucky him.

Edit: Corrected a spelling error, adding this next bit.

To the Moderator, who I know is going to have to clean this up: you have my sincerest apologies. Not for the content of my posts, which I emphatically believe need to be said and said in the way that I have expressed the sentiments they contain, but for the work that it will inevitably make for you. I have no regrets about what I have said or how I have said it. I do regret leaving you in a position where you're stuck having to deal with the aftermath of my words. It's fundamentally unfair and I wouldn't do it if I didn't think it was important to make ks7777 understand this one thing; his actions (and inactions) had consequences.

Edit 2: So do mine, the irony isn't lost on me. See you next month?

 

[roger]

He wasn't "doing fine." Your own posts made it evident that he hadn't been "doing fine" for a long, long time. He was made ill through about a year and a half of constant neglect. There isn't enough D3 in a single bottle of calcium supplement to cause an acute fatal overdose even if he were to have eaten the entire thing over night, vitamin toxicity is very rare and a result of constant buildup and overdosing. Your animal wasn't eating enough of anything to experience a D3 overdose.

The other explanation is that he finally died as a result of the abusive mistreatment he suffered under while in your care. You do not get to blame this on a vitamin supplement. You need to accept your culpability in his conditions and his death, your substandard care, your refusal to correct his problems and provide him with the medical treatment and environment he needed to be healthy is what caused his untimely death. You did this to an animal because you were too stubborn to listen and too lazy to do the right things for him. Now you get to own that guilt. It is (literally) the absolute least you can do.



You're angry?! You? How dare you have the audacity to be angry in this situation? You don't have the right. You just slowly killed an animal through torturous neglect, you don't get to be angry. You get to be shameful.

I just browsed through your posting history here, all those threads you had written over the last eighteen months. You were a constant source of damaging, hurtful, abusive conditions for this animal and you ignored or fought with people who tried to help, to educate you, to tell you what you needed to do to save this gecko. Hundreds and hundreds of posts, they wrote. Hundreds of hours of time they wasted, pouring out their advice and their knowledge. All you had to do was read it and pay attention, you couldn't even do that.

You know what... they'll do it again too, because they're good people who actually cared about the health of your animal. Cared about it a lot more than you did. This is their time to be angry and sad, to lament the gecko that they couldn't save from you.

You are the reason some people stop trying to help. Your behaviors have been a disgusting display of ignorance and the only result of it all is an animal that died a slow, painful death when it didn't have to. You can't even learn from this experience, you're going to twist it around and blame it on calcium dist. Just... utterly reprehensible. The English language doesn't have words strong enough to express my contempt for what you have accomplished today. My only consolation is that the death of this gecko means he's no longer suffering every second of every day under your ownership. Lucky him.

M_Surinamenis Ignore him !

 

[roger]

He wasn't "doing fine." Your own posts made it evident that he hadn't been "doing fine" for a long, long time. He was made ill through about a year and a half of constant neglect. There isn't enough D3 in a single bottle of calcium supplement to cause an acute fatal overdose even if he were to have eaten the entire thing over night, vitamin toxicity is very rare and a result of constant buildup and overdosing. Your animal wasn't eating enough of anything to experience a D3 overdose.

The other explanation is that he finally died as a result of the abusive mistreatment he suffered under while in your care. You do not get to blame this on a vitamin supplement. You need to accept your culpability in his conditions and his death, your substandard care, your refusal to correct his problems and provide him with the medical treatment and environment he needed to be healthy is what caused his untimely death. You did this to an animal because you were too stubborn to listen and too lazy to do the right things for him. Now you get to own that guilt. It is (literally) the absolute least you can do.



You're angry?! You? How dare you have the audacity to be angry in this situation? You don't have the right. You just slowly killed an animal through torturous neglect, you don't get to be angry. You get to be shameful.

I just browsed through your posting history here, all those threads you had written over the last eighteen months. You were a constant source of damaging, hurtful, abusive conditions for this animal and you ignored or fought with people who tried to help, to educate you, to tell you what you needed to do to save this gecko. Hundreds and hundreds of posts, they wrote. Hundreds of hours of time they wasted, pouring out their advice and their knowledge. All you had to do was read it and pay attention, you couldn't even do that.

You know what... they'll do it again too, because they're good people who actually cared about the health of your animal. Cared about it a lot more than you did. This is their time to be angry and sad, to lament the gecko that they couldn't save from you.

You are the reason some people stop trying to help. Your behaviors have been a disgusting display of ignorance and the only result of it all is an animal that died a slow, painful death when it didn't have to. You can't even learn from this experience, you're going to twist it around and blame it on calcium dist. Just... utterly reprehensible. The English language doesn't have words strong enough to express my contempt for what you have accomplished today. My only consolation is that the death of this gecko means he's no longer suffering every second of every day under your ownership. Lucky him.

+1 The sad part is he will go out and get another Leo and repeat the same cycle.

 

[M_surinamensis]

M_Surinamenis Ignore him !

I can't.

Education of others, even tough lessons that they don't want, is a moral imperative. He may have been willing to ignore everyone else for a year and a half while his pet slowly died, but that doesn't mean we can ignore him. He needs to understand his role in why this happened, so that he doesn't repeat it.

 

[roger]

I can't.

Education of others, even tough lessons that they don't want, is a moral imperative. He may have been willing to ignore everyone else for a year and a half while his pet slowly died, but that doesn't mean we can ignore him. He needs to understand his role in why this happened, so that he doesn't repeat it.

True ! People have given him countless info and consequences before with no results.It hurts to see a beautiful creature die a painful death like that.

 

[ProGeckoServices]

Dude ks7777 is trolling hard, hes probably just messing with everyone. Will not believe till I see picture of a dead lizard lying face down in flunkers calcium dish. Any other calcium will not suffice.

 

[roger]

Dude ks7777 is trolling hard, hes probably just messing with everyone.

There have been countless threads over the months,people, including myself have suggested things.He has ignored everyones advice.His leos have had multiple injuries,medical issues that needed a vets help.He has been told countless times of his poor husbundry and who suffers?? Its not the owner who suffers,its the animal.A slow painful death.The OP cannot claim ignorance.We gave him info.That is immoral !!

 

[ChaoticGecko]

Its always sad when someone loses a pet, it's even sadder when that person could of taken preventive measures, and proper husbandry skills to keep the animal healthy and didn't. I'm fairly new to leo's, but i've seen this a lot with snakes and iguana's. In highschool i ran an iggy rescue out of the house with my dad, and now, even though my focus is on my leo colony, i still get people dropping off unwanted snakes that are mean or "sick". and usually the animals are suffering from poor husbandry skills more then anything else. Ball pythons with respiratory infections, underfed corn snakes, animals with no heat sources. I'm lucky enough to have a roommate who lets me use his room for quarantine purposes, or i wouldn't be able to take in any rescues.

And you be surprised by the number of people that want you to pay good money, or at least get "what they put into the animal", for something they plain didn't care for and want out of their homes anyways. I actually have a friend who just had a BP go through me for being "mean" that ended up going to a 14 yr old as a pet (my landlord and her family are just as big into reptiles as i am), and i only had him long enough to get through quarantine and 2 feedings. now the same girl afraid of her ball wants something BIGGER!!

sorry for the long post, i've read old post here and never get to put my two cents in, and just wanted to throw it out there, reptiles are not for everyone, yes they are cool, but owning one, especially one you're not going to properly care for, does not make you cool!

 

[Adinar]

He wasn't "doing fine." Your own posts made it evident that he hadn't been "doing fine" for a long, long time. He was made ill through about a year and a half of constant neglect. There isn't enough D3 in a single bottle of calcium supplement to cause an acute fatal overdose even if he were to have eaten the entire thing over night, vitamin toxicity is very rare and a result of constant buildup and overdosing. Your animal wasn't eating enough of anything to experience a D3 overdose.

The "other explanation" is that he finally died as a result of the abusive mistreatment he suffered under while in your care. You do not get to blame this on a vitamin supplement. You need to accept your culpability in his conditions and his death, your substandard care, your refusal to correct his problems and provide him with the medical treatment and environment he needed to be healthy is what caused his untimely death. You did this to an animal because you were too stubborn to listen and too lazy to do the right things for him. Now you get to own that guilt. It is (literally) the absolute least you can do.



You're angry?! You? How dare you have the audacity to be angry in this situation? You don't have the right. You just slowly killed an animal through torturous neglect, you don't get to be angry. You get to be shameful.

I just browsed through your posting history here, all those threads you had written over the last eighteen months. You were a constant source of damaging, hurtful, abusive conditions for this animal and you ignored or fought with people who tried to help, to educate you, to tell you what you needed to do to save this gecko. Hundreds and hundreds of posts, they wrote. Hundreds of hours of time they wasted, pouring out their advice and their knowledge. All you had to do was read it and pay attention, you couldn't even do that.

You know what... they'll do it again too, because they're good people who actually cared about the health of your animal. Cared about it a lot more than you did. This is their time to be angry and sad, to lament the gecko that they couldn't save from you.

You are the reason some people stop trying to help. Your behaviors have been a disgusting display of ignorance and the only result of it all is an animal that died a slow, painful death when it didn't have to. You can't even learn from this experience, you're going to twist it around and blame it on calcium dust. Just... utterly reprehensible. The English language doesn't have words strong enough to express my contempt for what you have accomplished today. My only consolation is that the death of this gecko means he's no longer suffering every second of every day under your ownership. Lucky him.

Edit: Corrected a spelling error, adding this next bit.

To the Moderator, who I know is going to have to clean this up: you have my sincerest apologies. Not for the content of my posts, which I emphatically believe need to be said and said in the way that I have expressed the sentiments they contain, but for the work that it will inevitably make for you. I have no regrets about what I have said or how I have said it. I do regret leaving you in a position where you're stuck having to deal with the aftermath of my words. It's fundamentally unfair and I wouldn't do it if I didn't think it was important to make ks7777 understand this one thing; his actions (and inactions) had consequences.

Edit 2: So do mine, the irony isn't lost on me. See you next month?

I don't feel your post is out of line. I've been watching his threats myself and it is MADDENING watching this all unfold as it has. Here's hoping it was a troll and nothing more, seeing as we have had an influx of them as of late. Probably some sick individual who gets a cheap thrill out of ticking off pet owners. A sad, sad person. We can only hope. At least that is the last of him and thankfully the poor thing doesn't have to suffer anymore.

 

[Thorgecko707]

I'm sure he will start posting again after he goes to the pet store and a week later fluffy number two is sick. Actually, are we sure this is the same gecko after so long, or is this fluffy number seven?

 

[Adinar]

Well, if you look back at old posts there is one where there are pics and it looks like a different animal. I don't know, imo this wasn't the first nor the last.

 

[Thorgecko707]

How many animals have to die? @OP, are you on dog, bird, cat, and hamster forums too complaining about how your animals are mysteriously dying?

 

[Russ S]

Fortunately he is no longer a member of this forum, so we won't have to deal with him anymore. I feel sorry for any pets he has had or will in the future.
Probably time to put this thread out of its misery and not waste any more valuable time on the OP.