Can anyone pls enlighten me

[aquaplantae]

like the title, can anyone please enlighten me about the morph of this LG? i got it when i bred my shtct x shtct. afaik, both of the parents don't have any hets with them. i'm thinking to name it citrus. btw, it don't have any black markings or dots. as for the eyes, they're just like normal LG. here are the pictures. thanks in advance.


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[RampantReptiles]

Looks kinda like a Creamsicle(Mack Snow SHT) but Im not sure. Definitely has SHT in it.

Do you have pics of the parents?

 

[Tony C]

What color were the bands at hatching, black and yellow/orange or white and yellow/orange?

 

[aquaplantae]

@RampantReptiles
thanks for your response. at first, i also think that it's a creamsicle. but i'm pretty sure that both of the parents don't have any trace of snow (whatever snow it is), because the orange of both the parents are so vibrant. one thing also, i don't have any snow in my collection. for information, the pair that produce this one already laid 8 clutches. out from 8 clutches, 3 of them already hatched. and from those 3 clutches, i got 5 shtct and this one.

i'm at the office right now, i will post the pic of both parents after i got home. btw, i'm at gmt +7 region.

 

[aquaplantae]

@Tony C
this one hatched on 23rd of June 2010. from the day it hatched until now, there are no sign of any black spots or bands. so the answer to your question would be white and yellow/orange.

 

[Tony C]

I'm not sure what to tell you. Travis (EnigmaticGeckos) works with creams, and if I remember correctly his always hatch black and white like any other snow, then color up later. I can't think of any known non-albino genetic combos that hatch out white and yellow/orange.

 

[aquaplantae]

@Tony C
well, it struck me too. both parents don't have snow, albino, or anything else. they're just plain shtct. but this "citrus" have all the albino characteristics, yet, its eyes are just like any normal LG.

 

[aquaplantae]

@RampantReptiles
sorry, yesterday was one hectic day at the office. by the time i got home, already too tired to do anything. event just to take a couple pic.

so here are the pic of both the parents.

male

female

this time, i even take a close up of this "citrus" eyes.

as u can see, it's clearly that "citrus" is no albino.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

That looks like a weird but attractive shtctb. One reason i don't think it is a Creamsicle is because Creams have very little to no CT at all since the snow doesn't really allow much. If it hatched out with any color then it would not be a Cream. Tony you were correct in saying they hatch out black and white (similar to how a tangerine colors up).

Now with that being said I am also not saying it is impossible for it to be one either. Looking at your parents I highly doubt someone hatched it as a cream and didn't realize it but its possible. Do you have any hatch-ling pictures? Creams hatch out black and white and then hypo out. Here are some creams as babies:

Also for some more insight on creams I made a thread which briefly describes them.
http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=63404

 

[aquaplantae]

@Enigmatic_Geckos
thanks for your response.

by asking any hatchlings, do you mean the other siblings of "citrus" or the parents? if you mean siblings of citrus, i'll try to post them tonight. but if what your asking the siblings of both parents, i don't think that i can provide u with any.

btw, i don't have any snow (of any kind) in my collection. because what i actually like is color that's vibrant and eye catching. currently i don't quite like the way snow's tempering with other colors and make it look dull. but i do know that u can create whole other morphs with snow. and the outcome n possibility of combining other morphs with snow are so vast n numerous.

 

[BiKA]

This is a very interenting hatchling.could this be an new morphs? somethig like murphy patternless,with no black pigments and with normal eyes.its jus my personal thought.do not take my word.
i think Travis is refering to is the hatchling pictures of citrus.sometimes things just pop out from no where.Btw,how old is citrus when pictures was taken?
Looking at those pictures,i wonder what those substrate that you are using,looks like powder or could it be just flour.

 

[Autra]

...and once again, not paying attn to what's going on, combined with a few celebratory beers(finally got a job! woo!!) has caused me to click the wrong button and make a fool of myself.

Edited to remove stupidity.

Haha

 

[aquaplantae]

@BiKA
well, i do keep my fingers crossed and hoping that it would be a new morph. nuff said, i still have long way to go. first of all, i have to bring it to sexual maturation. n then pair it with its sibling, still haven't sexed it though. so that i would know what the genetic traits of this citrus.

the pic was taken at 5th of July 2010, citrus hatched on 23rd of June 2010. so be my guest to count how old it is right now.

about the substrate that i'm using. yes, i'm using flour, so that i could deep fry it whenever i need snack. hee hee hee, just kidding bro. of course not. it is pure dolomite. please look for it in wikipedia. since using dolomite, i don't have to dust my gecko prey again with calcium. and it really easy to clean down their poo too.

 

[sunshinegeckofarm]

im thinking its just a very light shtct. i have seen them not have alot of black on them. what did it look like when it hatched? i have had shtct hatch out brown & yellow almost like a albino

 

[aquaplantae]

@sunshinegeckofarm
i don't know exactly what morph this citrus is. but i don't think it is a very light shtct. not have a lot of black and don't have black are completely different things. like what i've said before, even when it hatch, it didn't show any sign of black spots or bands. it don't even have grey spots or bands now.

 

[yellermelon]

But your not certain one parent is not a snow, you just don't think so due to the nice color? I've seen some extremme tangerine creams...

 

[aquaplantae]

@yellermelon
afaik, n please cmiiw, no.1 snow is an axanthic (i know that there really is a nice creamsicle with vibrant orange). no.2 there's no way that snow won't have black spots (unless it have albino traits). as what i've written previously, citrus have all the characteristic of an albino, but its eyes are just plain n normal.

as about the parents, i know the breeder that i purchase from. at that time, he didn't have any snow in his collection yet. and afaik, snow is not a recessive. the outcome will be only snow or not at all. and yes, i'm pretty sure that both citrus' parents don't even have a minute snow in it.

 

[yellermelon]

Its a really cool looking gecko bro! grow it up, breed it will be interesting to see what comes out!

 

[aquaplantae]

@yellermelon
that's what i intend bro.

 

[aquaplantae]

it's been a while since i last updated my thread. well here i am.

till now, i only manage to hatch 3 F1 saffron. by this year i'm trying to mate my F0 with one of the F1 to find out if Saffron actually differ from SHTCT in its genetic traits. i'll keep my fingers crossed.

btw, i have photos of 2 F1 that i would like to share here. it is still under a month old.

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appreciate any comments coming from you guys. thank you.

ps. as of now, there are only 4 saffron in this world ( 1 F0 and 3 F1).