Can anyone tell which albino strain my juv. female leo is?

[9AC5]

Hi,
I bought a female leo a few months back but stupidly forgot to ask which albino strain she was. I cant really tell which strain she is. So any help will be greatly appreciated. I have tried to find out what strain she is, but I was a bit useless.
Thanks in advance for any help

 

[MiamiLeos]

Tremper Albino Eclipse. Nice leo

 

[9AC5]

Thanks for all your help. Do you know what the line on her back is?
Thanks
Adam

 

[MiamiLeos]

No problem. It could be classified as a dorsal stripe, just part of her pattern

 

[9AC5]

Thanks. I've been wondering which strain she was for a while now. Only thing is no interesting offspring for me, the male is high yellow.
Unless he has a het for something, fingers crossed.
If I'm right will the offspring be just normal with normal patterning but het for tremper and eclipse(if he has no hets)?
Thanks so much for the help so far you have been really helpful. I'm glad I decided to join the forum now.
Adam

 

[MiamiLeos]

We all like to help here Glad you joined! You are correct, if the male is "normal" in appearance and has no hets then the offspring will likely look like him and be het for both Tremper and Eclipse. May I ask where you got these two from?

 

[9AC5]

You have helped so much it would be rude not to.
I bought the male (high yellow) from a local breeder who owns a little shop. He was used as their breeding male for a while. (at least I know he will breed when the time comes). But hopefully as he was used as their breeder that means he has some hets, fingers crossed.
The female I bought from a pet shop a bit further away that specialises soley in exotics. Warrington Pets And Exotics. www.warringtonpetsandexotics.com
By the way I live in the uk.
I do have another question unfortunately for you, but what weight do you recommend a female should be before breeding? 55g?
Thanks again
Adam

 

[9AC5]

Why did you want to know where I got them from?
Oh and I checked out your site, some very nice leo's youve bred there.
Seen as I'm looking to breed in the future may I ask if you have any "top tips"?
Do you separate the male and female after every mating session?(and if you do, how long?).
Sorry for being a pain and thanks again.
Adam

 

[louen007]

Wow! Nice leo you have there. I was about to ask the same thing. Good thing I saw your thread. Thanks

 

[9AC5]

Thanks

 

[joneill]

Hi, I think yr leo is a rainwater or las vegas albino as they tend to have the darkest eyes of the three. Bell has light pink eyes and tremper has silver with red veins. I hv a juvenile bell albino male and he is gorgeous. Also check out the following site for more info: http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/index.php?title=Category:Morphs

 

[joneill]

Ok, stupid me, yes she is def eclipse because of the black eyes.

 

[TokayKeeper]

Ok, stupid me, yes she is def eclipse because of the black eyes.

As Miami said on page 1, post 2... Tremper albino eclipse. Both my desktop and the iPad I'm currently replying on show those eclipsed eyes to be dark red. Furthermore, the gecko's coloration is classic tremper albino, circa 1999 to about 2003/4. That coloration doesn't get more textbook tremper albino than that.

 

[9AC5]

Hey guys, just thought I'd let you know, she's laid 4 eggs so far this season, 2 of them are pink, and 2 are yellow (she only laid them yesterday so they've got time to go pink). It's her first breeding season, and it seems like she's fertile which is good because last season I was having doubts and thought she might be a "hot female". All going well I should have some little leos causing havoc in a few months!!

 

[RampantReptiles]

Congrats on the eggs!
I would make sure she gets plenty of calcium. Dust her food calcium with D3 every feeding and leave her a dish of calcium. It looks to be she has the beginning signs of MBD in her front leg, it is slightly bent. Also if she is laying eggs she will need a lot of calcium for that as well.

 

[9AC5]

Thanks! I dust everything she has in calcium and leave a calcium dish in her viv all the time. The photo was taken just after I bought her but the legs seem to be much stronger now. Like you say though I was a bit worried about how having eggs would affect her, but she seems to be coping very well

 

[9AC5]

The eggs are 41 days old today. I candled them about a week ago and they were bright pink with loads of veins. However when I candled them today (dont worry I didnt move the egg), they weren't pink? They hadnt turned yellow though. They just seemed to light up a bit but not any colour in particular. Is this because the egg is completely opaque due to the gecko inside? Or has the embryo died? One thing I have noticed is that the egg has grown in size quite significantly, and is bulging on one side in particular. Also the white coating on the outside of the egg seems to be turning colourless in some places (not see through). Can anyone tell me what is going on? They seem to be showing the signs of being both fertile and infertile? Im very confused

 

[lillith]

Stop handling/candling, let them alone!
The oils human hands produce are bad for leopard gecko egg integrity!

Also, if your male is carrying hets other than Tremper, you are up a creek trying to figure out what they are...in effect you are doing a test breeding with him to find out if he is het for Tremper with the dam you've bred him to.
At some point you can test for Rainwater and Bell hets if you get no Tremper babies from this dam.

However, should you find that you get albinos from more than one positively identified strain of albino (you were to get albino offspring from, say, both a known Tremper dam and a known Rainwater dam), you will have identified him as a double het.

Double hets are undesirable in leopard geckos because you never know where that het will pop up down the line and ruin someone's breeding project. The other drawback is, once you have identified a doublehet, you have to face the decision on whether or not to cull all of the offspring or not. It sounds cruel, but it is worse to release all of those doublehets into the general public, where they end up in the hands of new breeders who have no idea what hets are present and they can pass this on into perpetuity.

It's better to hope for non-hets in a high-yellow.

All that was a very long way of saying, I hope your high-yellow is het for Tremper only, or het for nothing. Good luck either way.

 

[9AC5]

I've not been touching them at all, just placing a flashlight next to them when it's dark. I didn't want to touch them because I know you can cause the embryo to drown. But i will just leave them alone from now on. What was your opinion? Does it sound like they'll hatch or not? They seemed to have swollen to be bigger than the other eggs by quite a lot even though they started off smaller. They also have a weird bulge as I mentioned before.

 

[9AC5]

The first egg hatched today. I wasnt as happy as I imagined I would be though. 1 hour previous to hatching a flem coloured goo dripped down the side. When I came through to my surprise I found the egg had hatched. Unfortunately I found a dead hatchling. It still had a egg covered mouth, and there was severe bruising on the stomach (internal bleeding). Has anyone got any ideas as to what went wrong? Its quite upsetting because I know I hardly ever handled the eggs and when I did I was careful so the bruising wasnt due to me! There were no other hatchlings today, so it wasnt a fight. Im just confused. It was the mothers first ever egg, so maybe even though it was fertile it was just a bad egg? The hatchling did appear premature in appearance. Grateful for any help. Thanks