Care to elaborate?

[Azazel]

I really don't understand the redstripe genetic. Prior to my research and purchase, I was understood that the gene is supposedly to be polygenetic. However, from the observation of breeding a redstripe to various other females, I swear that they seem to behave like recessive. Here's why. At the moment, I got a total of 32 eggs from pairing the male redstripe to various females. I believe I will get more because all of the females are still gravid. And from a total of 9 eggs that have hatched so far, only this one seems to show some sign by exhibiting a partial stripe.

Even so, I am not convinced that he got the line from the redstripe parent because the other parent was a Jungle Tangerine Tremper.

The remaining 8 out of 9 that have hatched so far look similar to the specimen below:

So what do you think? Either they are behaving like a recessive gene or I am really unlucky? Do let me know your thoughts.

Thanks

Regards

 

[acpart]

I think no one is entirely sure about the genetics of redstripe and it's even possible that some strains are genetic and some are linebred. Here is my info which point to genetics (I know I've posted it before):

banded tremper male x redstripe ('06): 10 banded babies, 10 stripes

same tremper male x SHTCT het albino (his daughter): included in total for '08 were 2 albino jungles and 1 non-albino jungle (with snake eyes).

This season I'm breeding that albino male to an albino redstripe (his grandaughter). So far the first one is banded, but there's a lot more to come.

Aliza

 

[Azazel]

Is there any difference in terms of phenotype between the recessive vs the line bred red stripes? How do one know which one is recessive and which one is linebred?

 

[acpart]

Is there any difference in terms of phenotype between the recessive vs the line bred red stripes? How do one know which one is recessive and which one is linebred?

I don't think we even know for sure which is which or whether both situations exist. I don't know what it will take to find out, but I don't have the resources to try. This season I will be breeding stripe to banded, snow and SHTCT so I'll see what I get. The stripe eggs are just starting to hatch.

Aliza

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I do believe only the color on Red Stripes is linebred. Stripes(maybe not all lines) are recessive, but they are not a simple recessive, so that is why we can get conflicting results IMO.

This is also why Stripes can create a new type, which was the Reverse Stripe. Reverse Stripes went on to produce "Aptors and Patternless Stripes". Aptors/PRS went on to produce the Eclipse gene, so we have what is called a cooperating-recessive "complex" of genes at work.

Before this was known, Stripes had "come from" Jungles, and Reverse Stripes had come from Stripes. I am fairly certain that Reverse Stripes would eventually yield a "Patternless Striped" animal, but much like the appearance of the Reverse Stripe from Striped lines, it does not happen so easily. When the two striped lines were crossed it gave us a "shortcut", and the Patternless-types were produced much more often.


Same thing here, Jungles yield Stripes, and Stripes yield Reverse Stripe but not very reliably. When you mix them up, the chances that you will hatch a greater variety go up, and thats the same thing I think happened, when we bred a Red Stripe to a Reverse Stripe Albino(broken pattern). Just a theory, but I would think Jungle X Stripe, would also give you "the new type"(Reverse Stripe in that case) much more often, because that is the way the Reverse Stripe X Stripe breedings act, as opposed to Reverse X Reverse.

We also have the fact that all of these traits "stick with" the Aptor or Eclipse traits. Meaning they carry all of the genes that make up the whole. Any gecko from a R/Aptor project is carrying very first gene in the "series"(Jungle), as well as the rest of the genes. If any of them were simple recessives, we might have lost some of them along the line, for the fact we would have had "possible hets", and maybe accidentally bred them out. That does not seem to happen in this project, and I`de never even had a "possible het" Aptor or Eclipse, that was not carrying all of them.

Just some food for thought! Sorry to bring Raptors into this Stripe discussion, but I do feel they are related, and work in the same way.

 

[ARiES]

it could be a recessive gene

 

[Azazel]

I do believe only the color on Red Stripes is linebred. Stripes(maybe not all lines) are recessive, but they are not a simple recessive, so that is why we can get conflicting results IMO.

This is also why Stripes can create a new type, which was the Reverse Stripe. Reverse Stripes went on to produce "Aptors and Patternless Stripes". Aptors/PRS went on to produce the Eclipse gene, so we have what is called a cooperating-recessive "complex" of genes at work.

Before this was known, Stripes had "come from" Jungles, and Reverse Stripes had come from Stripes. I am fairly certain that Reverse Stripes would eventually yield a "Patternless Striped" animal, but much like the appearance of the Reverse Stripe from Striped lines, it does not happen so easily. When the two striped lines were crossed it gave us a "shortcut", and the Patternless-types were produced much more often.


Same thing here, Jungles yield Stripes, and Stripes yield Reverse Stripe but not very reliably. When you mix them up, the chances that you will hatch a greater variety go up, and thats the same thing I think happened, when we bred a Red Stripe to a Reverse Stripe Albino(broken pattern). Just a theory, but I would think Jungle X Stripe, would also give you "the new type"(Reverse Stripe in that case) much more often, because that is the way the Reverse Stripe X Stripe breedings act, as opposed to Reverse X Reverse.

We also have the fact that all of these traits "stick with" the Aptor or Eclipse traits. Meaning they carry all of the genes that make up the whole. Any gecko from a R/Aptor project is carrying very first gene in the "series"(Jungle), as well as the rest of the genes. If any of them were simple recessives, we might have lost some of them along the line, for the fact we would have had "possible hets", and maybe accidentally bred them out. That does not seem to happen in this project, and I`de never even had a "possible het" Aptor or Eclipse, that was not carrying all of them.

Just some food for thought! Sorry to bring Raptors into this Stripe discussion, but I do feel they are related, and work in the same way.

For some odd reasons, after observing what has happened in my collection so far, I do concur with your opinion in this matter. I have another question though i.e. when you said that the color of redstripes is linebred, what exact coloration were you refering to? Orange? I said orange because all of the offsprings are showing orangey coloration even though they do not have any tangerine gene in them.

Thanks

 

[Azazel]

Here's how one of them look like now:

He's getting there right?

Thanks for viewing

 

[IceFyre]

I do believe only the color on Red Stripes is linebred. Stripes(maybe not all lines) are recessive, but they are not a simple recessive, so that is why we can get conflicting results IMO.

This is also why Stripes can create a new type, which was the Reverse Stripe. Reverse Stripes went on to produce "Aptors and Patternless Stripes". Aptors/PRS went on to produce the Eclipse gene, so we have what is called a cooperating-recessive "complex" of genes at work.

Before this was known, Stripes had "come from" Jungles, and Reverse Stripes had come from Stripes. I am fairly certain that Reverse Stripes would eventually yield a "Patternless Striped" animal, but much like the appearance of the Reverse Stripe from Striped lines, it does not happen so easily. When the two striped lines were crossed it gave us a "shortcut", and the Patternless-types were produced much more often.


Same thing here, Jungles yield Stripes, and Stripes yield Reverse Stripe but not very reliably. When you mix them up, the chances that you will hatch a greater variety go up, and thats the same thing I think happened, when we bred a Red Stripe to a Reverse Stripe Albino(broken pattern). Just a theory, but I would think Jungle X Stripe, would also give you "the new type"(Reverse Stripe in that case) much more often, because that is the way the Reverse Stripe X Stripe breedings act, as opposed to Reverse X Reverse.

We also have the fact that all of these traits "stick with" the Aptor or Eclipse traits. Meaning they carry all of the genes that make up the whole. Any gecko from a R/Aptor project is carrying very first gene in the "series"(Jungle), as well as the rest of the genes. If any of them were simple recessives, we might have lost some of them along the line, for the fact we would have had "possible hets", and maybe accidentally bred them out. That does not seem to happen in this project, and I`de never even had a "possible het" Aptor or Eclipse, that was not carrying all of them.

Just some food for thought! Sorry to bring Raptors into this Stripe discussion, but I do feel they are related, and work in the same way.

I have to agree in my breeding colony i've seen the same happen in various of my morphs 1ST & 3RD pic is double het for Blizzard and Bells. I'm planning to keep back some babies in order to compare them to the parents later on.
I'm convinced one can enhance even a Ressesive gene with line breeding. The 3RD pic is of the same mother than the two double hets the father also resembled some yellow markings same as the baby and mother.

So my conclusion is that one can breed a more yellow blizzard thats not patternless. So one should then be able to breed a blue purple blizzard .