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[TokayKeeper]

thank you tokaykeeper that is the exact type of answer i was looking for.i didnt know it came from the hypo line, but i did have an idea it would work simaler to how hypo works(line breeding)is it just me or does the shtctb in this post http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=77478 look a little like the charcoal? not so much in her body and head but the mid point in her tail. she has the spots on her throat and came from the same breeder.

Don't confuse hypo lines...before the Ray Hine hypos hit around 2000/2001 all hypos were line bred (= selectively bred for reduced spotting and patterning). Ray Hine's line is actually co-dominant.

Here are some non-Hine line hypos:

Hypo tang male I purchased from Albey Scholl in 2000

Hypo Tang female I purchased from Albey Scholl in 2001

Hypo tang I produced in 99

Hypo Tang male from Brett Mazimann

The shtctb you posted in that thread is expressing what appears to be darkened coloration from breeding stress. Being that she came from JMG, it is possible she's of their charcoal line. But in the same breathe it's also possible she's not. I'd venture to guess she'll brighten up as she recovers weight from breeding.

 

[TokayKeeper]

If you breed it to a normal, you will get some color influence but lose some of the hypo trait in some of the offspring.

Actually you wouldn't lose the hypo trait. Based upon JMG's page, I'm pretty confident in saying the charcoal is of the Ray Hine line hypo. The trait, as I've mentioned in this thread, is co-dominant. If the very dark charcoal in that video and on their page (same animals) were bred to a normal, ALL offspring would be hypo (the heterozygous form) since the charcoal appears to be super hypo baldy (baldy is the homozygous dominant, or "super" form of the co-dominant Ray Hine hypo trait).

You would basically be diluting the charcoal color and gaining some spots back.

Correct here, simply look at how tan the background coloration is of the hypo babies I produced in the cross example I gave on page 2. That's normal background coloration. If one were to take a plain ole normally spotted leo and remove its spots, you'd have that tan background coloration left. And as shown in my cross, yes you'd get some spotting back.

 

[lillith]

Actually you wouldn't lose the hypo trait. Based upon JMG's page, I'm pretty confident in saying the charcoal is of the Ray Hine line hypo. The trait, as I've mentioned in this thread, is co-dominant. If the very dark charcoal in that video and on their page (same animals) were bred to a normal, ALL offspring would be hypo (the heterozygous form) since the charcoal appears to be super hypo baldy (baldy is the homozygous dominant, or "super" form of the co-dominant Ray Hine hypo trait).

Sorry, I meant how they would look, not the genes they carried. I stand corrected.

Correct here, simply look at how tan the background coloration is of the hypo babies I produced in the cross example I gave on page 2. That's normal background coloration. If one were to take a plain ole normally spotted leo and remove its spots, you'd have that tan background coloration left. And as shown in my cross, yes you'd get some spotting back.

Thanks!