Collard Rescue? maybe lol..

[im faster]

Well i had some doves i needed to get rid of.. the kid didnt have enough cash but said he had a Leo and a Collard..

I have never heard of a collard before.. pretty cool looking..



He seem VERRRRRY skinny in the hipps..


1. do they normally LOVE water? i put a large water dish in and he spends a lot of time in the dish..

2. is he under weight???

3. what are these things worth??

 

[im faster]

 

[fuzzylogix]

awww, that poor thing looks emaciated. eve aka suncharmers of suncharmers.com should be on here shortly. she breeds them. from her pics, that looks like an aquaflame. PM suncharmers, she will more than likely be able to give you some advice on getting it back to health.

 

[im faster]

i looked up some how to sex and it looks male to me..

but I cant wait to hear more about this cool little lizard

 

[TokayKeeper]

Well i had some doves i needed to get rid of.. the kid didnt have enough cash but said he had a Leo and a Collard..

I have never heard of a collard before.. pretty cool looking..



He seem VERRRRRY skinny in the hipps..


1. do they normally LOVE water? i put a large water dish in and he spends a lot of time in the dish..

2. is he under weight???

3. what are these things worth??

1. NO...spraying/misting and the occasional soaking are ok. With exception to animals from midwestern states, collareds are a fairly arid species. They can be kept inline with husbandry requirements like that of a beardie (noticed you have one mentioned in your sig); though they are not as big they do need a fair amount of room. A minimum of a 20 gallon tank is recommended, the bigger the better for these guys though. I use about a 50/50 sand/soil mix for mine, but with the condition this one is in I'd go with butcher paper or newspaper until weight in regained. When I use to curate the Nature Center at the Las Cruces Museum of Natural History I reworked our old iguana habitat into a large to medium lizard display. The cage was 8 x 4 x 4 ft with artificial rock work. Air temp at basking site was around 110-117°, with surface temps reading 130-135°F via an infrared temp gun. Though 8 x 4 x 4 ft is overkill for most cases (we had 3 other species within the cage), I'd shoot for at least a 40 gallon breeder.

2. Severely underweight, but appears to be in good condition otherwise. Careful with feeding mealies to it, if you offer them. If not kept warm enough or fed too many mealies they tend to regurgitate them, which will not help with its current state of weight. Personally, I'd stick to smallish crickets (3-4 week olds), feeding 5-8 every other day. Once his weight starts to return you can up the amount of offered prey and start offering mealies or supers. You can also feed the occasional pinkie or fuzzie. Fully healthy, they are capable of taking down large prey. My best friend and I use to feed crickets, grasshoppers, cicadas, pinkies/fuzzies, superworms, and small lizards. To give you an idea of large prey, they are capable of taking lizards almost equal to their size in the wild. I even had one eating turkey diet (a monitor diet formulated by Jeff Lemm/San Diego Zoo).

3. Couldn't tell ya. There are quite a few species/subspecies and captive bred animals can go for a decent price dependent upon the species. Based upon neck and throat patterning, it looks like you might possibly have a young male Great Basin collared (Crotaphytus bicinctores). A belly shot would further confirm it. Once healthy, if it is a Great Basin, the tail will be laterally compressed versus round like other collared species. If you want to read up on some natural history on them, check out reptilesofaz.com or buy Lizards of the American Southwest.

 

[im faster]

Thanks for the info

 

[fl_orchidslave]

He's beautiful.

 

[TokayKeeper]

He's beautiful.

You should see a nicely colored up male bicinctores. They get a slate blue to navy blue throat bordered by black, same with their belly. For a drab colored lizard they're a really nice looking species. I wish I would have been able to get some field shots of one back in Oct 2009 when I went out to AZ with my best friend to help him with his PhD research on desert torts.

You 2 might try googling Crazy Crotaphytus and Will Wells. Will is a virtual collared lizard god both from a captive keeping stand point and getting awesome field photos.

 

[im faster]

maybe he spends so much time in the water because he is dehydrated?

FYI i just picked him up today

 

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[Suncharmers]

Hi, I got your email. Okay here ya go. THis appears to be a young male C. bicinctores. He is EXTREMELY emaciated, extremely dehydrated. And will not make it unless you act fast .

You can always see when a collared is dehydrated , look on head, see the indented places over the eyes? They should be high and plump. Use a shallow water saucer in cage at all times, but for now use a dropper and fill with a teasoon or so of WARMISH water and give it to him every 3 - 4hours. for altleast 2 to 3 days.

** ALWAYS remember HYDRATE first later food. As terrible as it sound not to feed such an emaciated kid, they CAN NOT digest properly when dehydrated, so they can not eat. After he is hydrated he will WANT to eat. Then I would also besides offering crickets/ worms..... I would use a dropper with chicken/ veggie baby food with some water, make it sorta soupy so he does not have to use his energy up. And I would do this 3 times a day.

Make sure you get it way back in mouth, do not put so much in it comes out his nose/ mouth and cause choking or resp problems.

**Another point collareds will also soak when they have mites to try and drown them. I would give him a quick wash in warm water for now, but you hav eto focus on the hyrdrating first and foremost right now. Then in a couple days the eating, then when he gains some strenght give him a looksie with a magnifying galss and see if there are any red/ raw or sore spots anywhere.

Hope you can get him back in shape. SAD, I see this so often with these guys. This will take some time/dedication to this young fella. :0) Feel free to email me anytime , be glad to stay in tounch and help in anyway.

My site addy and email are below.

 

[im faster]

well he just pooped..

does he look dehydrated in the pic?

 

[im faster]

I have to go get a eye dropper and some baby food

 

[Suncharmers]

YES, STLL looks dehyrated. Pooping does not mean he's not SEVERELY dehyrated! This guy has no fat reserves ANYWHERE. Also I want to say these guys get internal parasites too especially wc's. His poop in pic looks incased in mucus unless I'm seeing things. Does it have a strong smell to it?

You really should have a fecal done. BUT,,, if you decide to treat him for any worms/ or what ever "DO NOT do it now".

Panacur and worm medicines often make them not eat for awhile, ya don't want that right now. He's got enough problems in that area.

Just help him as much as possible, don't give up on him,

 

[im faster]

strong semll yes..

and ill keep working on him

 

[Suncharmers]

Parasite and protazoan infections, the feces can be as I said incased in a mucus, red tinged or bloody, and STINKY, a stronger than normal poop smell.

 

[im faster]

how much baby food

 

[im faster]

Also whats the easiest way to open his mouth

 

[fuzzylogix]

i knew Eve would be able to help you. i hope you can save this guy

 

[im faster]

im rrally having an issue opening his mouth