Common Snow Pattern

[BalloonzForU]

I can't help but wonder why I'm seeing so many Mack Snows and crosses with the same pattern.

Many have the same pattern as the one in my avatar. Any one have a thought on this?

 

[o0 Ryan 0o]

I see it a lot. It's like a little plus or cross on their back. Almost all of the Macks have some jungle-ish bands at the very end of their tail too. Check your PMs in a sec.

 

[BalloonzForU]

I see it a lot. It's like a little plus or cross on their back. Almost all of the Macks have some jungle-ish bands at the very end of their tail too. Check your PMs in a sec.

Yes, broken tail bands near the end, but they seem to be a somewhat random pattern. I'm more interested in the body patten that is so common. I just find it strange.

 

[Gazz]

What was the mack snow ancecter ? i find them too look very E-Afghanicus in there apperance which also tense to have abberant patterning.Think it's to do with the breeing you breed a abberant to a abberant you going to get abberant babys.and you need to breed mack to mack to get super snow so they always have a tie.Even if you have one male with 5 femals if the male has a abberant pattern he pass's the abberant gene onto all his offspring so if you can see it or not it in there blood so when you back breed them for super snow you tieing them all to gether with the abberant gene.

Afghanicus link.
http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=4404

 

[eyelids]

Yeah it is strange especially since I haven't seen a non-Mack with that pattern.

My Snow Bell is like that...

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I have seen/hatched Mack sibs with the same "aberrant" markings the Mack Snows have. The "circle back" pattern pops up alot too.

I am trully amazed noone notices but there are`nt really many normally-banded Macks period. A few start out as "jungles", but most are aberrant in some way.

They have been this way since first introduced, here is my (2004 hatched) founder Mack Snow.

 

[Kotsay1414]

My Mack Snow / Fasciolatus cross from Albey is banded...

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Pretty much, but I see alot of fairly banded geckos, that when they started out, there were "aberrancies" to the bands. Bands go straight across, all of the way, some aberrants, are only slightly different and have curves, dips, or the bands do not go all the way across. Only very slight differences from what is considered "normal" banding. Not everyone is onto this fact.

This was my meaning in saying "most Macks are aberrant", there are alot of Leos people write off as bandeds for this same reason.

Lets say this is a band --> -----

Well this is a slight aberrancy --^-- or something like this, I am limited here LOL

Some poeple do not take these slight differences into consideration.

Kyle, Im not sure how that one hatched, but it does have an "aberrant" tail-band.

 

[Kotsay1414]

Kyle, Im not sure how that one hatched, but it does have an "aberrant" tail-band.

She came from Albey. Albey crossed his Line Bred / Fasciolatus with a Mack Super Snow and came out with ones like mine. Marcia got two from the same cross and Alize got one. Here is the link to Alize's http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=6544

 

[Gazz]

My Mack Snow / Fasciolatus cross from Albey is banded...

I would say that it's not abberant coz it mack snow X pure Fasciolatus and i bet mum dad Fasciolatus was a farly new import ? or kept pure strain ?.When you breed a mack snow to a captive morph is farly likely that it has abberant in it blood some where a long the line.What i'm saying in a sence i bet yours is a het for abberant-(as it has abberant in it history from the mack line) i bet if you back breed it to a mack snow i would be farly conferdent that you would get the abberant patterning back in the offsping.

 

[BalloonzForU]

Kyle, When it came to crosses I was talking about other Leo Morphs, not another species.

I'm sure Dan was talking about what the snow x fasciolatus looked like when it was hatched.

 

[LeosForLess]

Yeah with the teardrop? I have like half of my macks with those, but im lazy so im not pulling pics up unless u want them

 

[BalloonzForU]

Paul, we all know what pattern I'm talking about so you don't have to post pics.

I'm just wondering why we are see "This Pattern" so much in the Macks. There has got to be some reason, we don't see this pattern as often as we do in the Macks, in other morphs.

Most jungle/aberrant patterns are random, but this pattern is very common, in Macks, this is what I'm getting at. Any theories????

 

[Ian S.]

Maybe the pattern (abberant) was bred into the macks at some point thus making the pattern part of the incomplete-dom?? LOL best I can think of but my male mack from Kelli is a spitting image of yours minus the circle on the back.

edit: Are we even sure how the abberent pattern is passed on??

 

[Gazz]

Paul, we all know what pattern I'm talking about so you don't have to post pics.

I'm just wondering why we are see "This Pattern" so much in the Macks. There has got to be some reason, we don't see this pattern as often as we do in the Macks, in other morphs.

Most jungle/aberrant patterns are random, but this pattern is very common, in Macks, this is what I'm getting at. Any theories????

Maybe it's linked to the CoDom of the mack snow the biggist abberant thing going on from what i can see is the type of dorsal stripe strate down the middle.Anyway if you look at all mack super snow they all have a striped affect and seems to be the only true genetic stripe i've never seen a super snow with out it.
Here's a whole collection of macks for you to compair first in line a super snow with like all that clean dorsal stripe hasn't seemed to cut though the tail like it usually dose.The biggist abberant on these mack snow is the dorsal split.
http://www.geckosetc.com/htm/available_mack_snow.htm

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I think regular "aberrants" are at the least "het" for Jungle. I do not think the aberrant pattern of the Macks is the same thing, but it might just be because the Macks are "het" for the Super Snow pattern, etc. Does not really explain how the Pastels, or sibs, have those patterns though.:main_laugh: Hmmm

I just know they were originally marketed to have jungle or aberrant patterns, and have`nt really changed.

 

[BalloonzForU]

With all the crosses you'd think that that we'd see some different patterns.

 

[Kotsay1414]

Does anyone have any of the original Macks from when they were first released?

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

They have been this way since first introduced, here is my (2004 hatched) founder Mack Snow.
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Kyle, I posted one of the first released Macks allready.

Felicia, there have been some differences in pattern. I have seen striped and reverse striped ones so far. Some MSA`s I have here that are from Stripe or Reverse Stripe Albino mothers, have some interesting patterns. I have not hatched anything from breeding "het" Stripe, or Reverse Stripe Macks together yet. Yet!

 

[BalloonzForU]

I know there are other pattens, but this one seems to keep popping up more than others.