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spalek83

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Eating and Eye issue.
Had a Leopard Gecko for over 2 years. Since December she hasn't really been eating, to the point that her tail is significantly thinner. She dosn't act very hungry, at all. Eating seems due to just autopilot. She also has had one eye with problems finishing shedding, I had had to continually use saline to wash our her eye, every time I look at her a new day here eye is closed again and i have to wash it out. Eye issue has been every day for over a week now.
Before I feed her I make sure she can see out of both eyes (i flush the other one out if it is closed at the time)
I have tried mealworms and crickets. She still hunts, but will miss and give up on hunting after her first miss. I have seen her eat maybe twice in the past 2 months. I thought for moment that she was taking large breaks from eating due to when she shed, it having been winter, yet now that her tail is maybe a 1/3rd of the width it used to be, that idea is out.
When I get her awake, she acts totally normal (except not eating). Will either swirm around like normal, or sit on my hand like normal (when she wants too). Only eating habits have been the big change. I thought it was due to her eye but when they are both open and clear same story.
For instance i just weighed her now, and when i put her back in the cage i placed a squirmy mealworm there as well, she just looked at it for a second, as if she perked up, then looked away with total interest lost.

When i wash out her eye it looks basically fine, except obviously moist, and the lower eye lid looks as if it is a little streched, like the skin does after you remove a bandaid.

I just put her in a giant plastic container, maybe 2 feet by 3 feed with one cricket and some food for the cricket so it dosn't harass her. She iis moving around, totally alert, head perked up, eyes open, totally ignoring the cricket.
About your leo:
- Female
- 4+ years old, 1.4 ounces assuming I weighed correctly.
- How long have you owned your leo
- Given to by friend who didn't want.

A) Health/History
- Some days not at all if I am letting her be. Other days I will take her out to soak her, or let her run around. A fair ammount when I do.
- She stays on the cold side of her cage on her hiding rock usually.
- Never, just thought she didn't eat much until the last few months when she dosn't eat much for sure.
B) Fecals
- None atm, usually hard and dry,
- over a week ago.
C) Problem
- see top. Not eating, yet she tries and gives up on first miss. One eye is constantly being closed, if I wash it out, she uses it and it looks fine. next day it will be closed and with gunk again. only last 2 weeks have i been dealing with constant eye issue, up to 2 weeks ago it was just the not eating issue

Housing:
A) Enclosure
- 10 gal
- glass tank
- paper towels
- 2
B) Heating
- underneath cage on one side, and a heat lamp above cage.
- 95 on hot side. 80 ish on other side
- room temperature is fairly stable
- thermometer on cage
- just a faint blue one at night since she has her own walk in closer. and it gets pitch dark in there at night (i had to since the crickets drive me crazy)
C) Cage mates
- Hone female
- never had issues before besides needing to soak her every other month or so

Describe Diet:
A) Typical diet
- mealworms that feed on various veggies the day before, havn't seen her eat one in a few weeks. when she did eat would be maybe 3 or 4 a week
-crickets. i bought 5 r 10 TINY ones a week and a half ago and they disappeared, i think she ate them since i found no left over crickets. i bout new ones and they are normal size, she got one in her mouth and it got away, and tried to eat a few others, hasn't sucseeded tho.
- I feed her by placing the mealworms in the cage near her, or crickets just in the cage, before this always worked, now not at all it seems
B) Supplements (describe how often)
- I have vitamin d3 powder I used to cover every other feeding with, now that it is so infrequent i do every cricket mealworm in homes she eats it
- i have vitamin powder without d3 as well, same story as d3, only used once every other eating before, now every time in hopes she eats
- What are you gut loading food with
 
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spalek83

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just forced fed her a mealworm, and she popped at the same time. she swolowed them, did 1 cricket and 3 mealworms total. she held em down and is now sleeping. didn't see too annoyed after the fact either
 
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acpart

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Try washing her eye out with hydrogen peroxide. I had good luck cleaning up eyes with that. If it continues to be a problem there may be an infection and she may need a vet.

You could try superworms as a feeder. I have had good luck with them for geckos that miss crickets. Also, sometimes assisting with feeding as you're doing gets them started eating again. There also may be a problem if you try to feed her just after you've cleaned out her eye because she may feel too stressed to eat.

Aliza
 

fl_orchidslave

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The old shed needs to be removed from the eye. It doesn't do any good to just moisten it with saline, leaving the stuck shed there. Use a q-tip and gently work it out after shooting a stream in to loosen. Hope that makes sense, I'm very tired.
 

roger

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Try washing her eye out with hydrogen peroxide. I had good luck cleaning up eyes with that. If it continues to be a problem there may be an infection and she may need a vet.

You could try superworms as a feeder. I have had good luck with them for geckos that miss crickets. Also, sometimes assisting with feeding as you're doing gets them started eating again. There also may be a problem if you try to feed her just after you've cleaned out her eye because she may feel too stressed to eat.

Aliza

Aliza- Ive never heard of hydrogen peroxide for the eyes.Really ?
 

spalek83

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I did use/have been using a q-tip but thanks for stating so, as I was curious if it was a bad idea(dangerous). I had to cause it was so closed one day no matter how much saline I sprayed it did nothing. The eye shed was clear as of a week ago (or as soon as I noticed it needed more then just a flush), she just likes it closed lately and i have to flush it out again pretty much each day. But i do not see any shed in there.

I will try the hydrogen peroxide and the superworms. I'm glad my story didn't get anyone too alarmed, both your responses seemed pretty casual. If I still have her liking her eye shut after trying the h.p. a few times I will report back in.
Also, glad to hear force feeding can jumpstart the autopilot for eating.

Thank you for your responses.


also, what is a correct eating habit for a gecko, what should I strive for (mealworms per week for example)


update: i just checked on her and she had both her eyes wide open, so whatever the eye thing was, it has passed. I will keep the hydrogen peroxide in mind tho, good to know its not too harsh.
 
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ElapidSVT

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hydrogen peroxide in the eyes has to be very painful. any brave herpers want to test it? i'm not that brave.


i feed 1 superworm for each 10g of gecko weight each day or every other day. so, a 2-10g leo gets 1 super a day, 10-20g get two, etc.
 
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acpart

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I would never drop hydrogen peroxide directly into the eye, but I have daubed it on the bottom eyelid in a case where there was crusty deposit there. I know that geckos generally hide when they are sick, but I got no different reaction from the gecko as I was doing this treatment than when I used plain water. I had just moistened a q-tip with hydrogen peroxide. It foamed a bit and did seem to do a good job of cleaning out the area. Between that and removing a small amount of stuck shed, things cleared up and she's fine now. Any more info about hyd. per. would be welcome.

Aliza
 

ajveachster

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A vet visit may still be in order if you are having trouble getting the shed out. I have had to do this in the past. The vet was able to numb the eye before working on it which made it easier for them, and a bit less stressful/painful for the animal. I make this recommendation since you said you are nowt having to flush both eyes. I don't know if the other eye also has stuck shed, or if it is the start of an infection that is spreading to both eyes.
If you are concerned about massive weight loss you can try a waxworm. They are really high in fat, so not a great staple diet, but can help with a gecko that needs it.
 

M_surinamensis

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hydrogen peroxide in the eyes has to be very painful. any brave herpers want to test it? i'm not that brave.

Painful to say the least. I'm not that brave either, though I'm not so sure that avoiding a known harm when there's nothing to be gained from it is cowardice. Seems more like common sense and a well defined self preservation reflex.

Fair risk of permanent damage associated with hydrogen peroxide and eye contact, increased for higher concentrations or longer exposures of course. Even the 3-5% solutions sold through drug stores can have some nasty effects if they aren't flushed away in a timely manner; the stuff is a corrosive, which can be beneficial in small amounts when applied to the right kinds of tissue and very negative when it comes into contact with sensitive areas.

Here's the OSHA MSDS if anyone wants to give it a look. As with many substances, it's important to pay attention to exposure concentrations and ratios, but hydrogen peroxide is definitely something to be careful with when using it for home remedies or treatments. To the point where I personally wouldn't use it anywhere near the eyes (or other sensitive areas) of an animal, much too risky. Minor cuts or abrasions on the body, limbs or tail, sure... not someplace where dabbing a q-tip one sixteenth of an inch away from the intended spot risks blindness or anywhere that might leave the lizard getting a solid lung full of the vapors. Basically not on the head and with a bit of caution around the vent.
 

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