Creamsicles

[tiedxupxinxknots]

I was wondering if anyone was working with creamsicles or had any because to my knowledge they aren't seen too often, and was wondering how far have they gone with selective breeding and improving the colors and patterns

 

[im faster]

they are fairly common..

but not seen any steller ones yet

 

[tiedxupxinxknots]

they are fairly common..

but not seen any steller ones yet

strange, I havent noticed it... anyways i was hoping to see if anyone had any like these

 

[Thorgecko707]

I think enigmatic geckos is working with them.

 

[lillith]

The example you gave is a juvenile. The trouble is, as they age, the snow effect fades and the tangerine fills in the "snowy" areas. As adults, they tend to look like pale hypo tangerines and that's about it. JMG spent several years refining them to the point of your example...maybe further selective breeding will help, maybe not.
Contact JMG and ask them?

 

[sunshinegeckos]

I have a fair number of them and hope to hatch out more this year. I have 3 Cremesicle Enigmas and a regular cremesicle female who has awesome color. Im pairing my Cremesicle Enigma males with 2 blood hypo females and my creme female with a blood hypo male. I got my group from Travis at Enigmatic Geckos and from John at Geckoboa. In my opinion they are great examples of the morph.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Well we have worked with them for a few years, but since we had our baby we cut back on a LOT of things. We sold off ALL of our Creamsicle project except our best male who I sent to my Sister in Oregon. We will be getting him back maybe this season and start producing them again. We originally got our Creamsicles as gen 5 & 6 from JMG then put another 3 generations to them using "our line" (only call it our line because its a cross of tangerine lines which we found to produce the best creams) tangerines and our own Creamsicle breeders.

As mentioned before the hardest part about working with Creams is that you don't know how long/well the quality will last before they brown out, if they do. I have produced A LOT of Creams which never browned out and produced some of the most intense Tangerine on them I have ever seen. We have posted many pics of our Creams before and quite frankly some of our reams had more Tangerine than a lot of "tangerines" I see posted. When I sold off that project a large majority went to our buddy John and Christina. I have not been tracking Johns production on them but I know he has good genetics over there. Creams are all about what tangerines you work into them and knowing how to spot a good breeder.

The reason a lot of people producing "creamsicles" don't have very high quality one is because they are calling 1-3 gen hypo snow tangerines - Creamsicles...which is not true because they are not just a genetic mutation but a visual expectancy as well. They may carry the genes but certainly are not refined enough to be called a Creamsicle (this is all my opinion on the matter). If I were to give anyone advice on buying a Creamsicle it would be...dont buy one like the one posted above. 9 times out of 10 the best looking babies brown out the worst. Yellow = Brown. Black = Orange. Whites = fade into yellow/light orange. If you are breeding them then I would not sell ANYTHING until they are 30+g (until you know how to better judge their mature coloration). Too many people buy amazing babies and are VERY disappointed to see them as adults. When I first began I was selling them like any other gecko but quickly noticed that they needed to be grown more before I can label/price them accordingly.

The line of tangerine we are working with now is gen 4 of our Creamsicle project. Everything coming from this project was either a Cream or a Tang...these tangs have been getting refined and worked on more. We do not feel the need to claim them as a "new line" because we are not to the point we want to be at before we try to sell them as something unique/different then the rest of the market.

If anyone ever has questions about Creamsicles feel free to contact us at any time. As mentioned above, we may begin working on them again this season...but for sure the following. Until then talk to John (geckoboa) and Christina (sunshinegeckos) and JMG for your Creamsicle needs.

Some Creams we produced
http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac3/Enigmatic_Geckos/Frost-Bite.jpg
http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac3/Enigmatic_Geckos/cream.jpg
http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac3/Enigmatic_Geckos/DSCF2882.jpg
http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac3/Enigmatic_Geckos/babies/IMG_6016.jpg
http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac3/Enigmatic_Geckos/Creamsicle.jpg

Example of the transformation
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...93374871.55816.226575520734555&type=3&theater


Example of our tangerine (our line we are working on) from this project
http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac3/Enigmatic_Geckos/Tangerine.jpg
http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac3/Enigmatic_Geckos/Rainbow.gif

We have a lot more but I don't feel like fishing them all up. A lot have been posted on the forums.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Also last time I talked to Jeff (JMG) he was telling me that he plans on thinning down Creamsicle production and only producing a select number a year. If you want to get in on some of his Creamsicles I would suggest you contact him and let him know...but not until you are ready to buy because he has a quick turn around and you may not have that one available in a week. Creams (high quality ones) range between $130 - $175...obviously pricing is subject to seller but that's that range I would price mine or purchase mine in.

Have fun working with them and keep me in mind if you produce nice ones (John, Christina, anyone else with nice ones).

 

[sunshinegeckos]

Also with creamsicles it is almost impossible to tell that they carry Mack Snow in them once they are adults. If you plan on buying a cremesicle that is larger I would request pics of it as a hatchling. You can see pics of some of mine on my last picture thread. You can also see the Blood Hypo male im pairing with my Creme females and Blood Hypo females I am pairing with my Creme Enigma males. I will also be working on adding the eclipse gene into my cremesicles but that will be a couple generations to get a Cremesicle RAPTOR.

 

[tiedxupxinxknots]

Well thanks everyone for explaining the creamsicle in depth, I find them more interesting now..

 

[tiedxupxinxknots]

Also, Travis is your tangerine line and creamsicles mainly composed of enigmas(very nice geckos btw)?

 

[sunshinegeckos]

I dont mean to answer for him but I know he got out of working with enigma's.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Most of my Creams were NOT enigma. It was harder to identify heritable colors with them. I would have to look at my pics I posted again to tell for sure but I know most of them were not Enigma. We only had 1 Enigma breeder for our Cream project. As far as my tangerine line (which as I have stated I am not claiming it as a new line or anything YET), but NONE of those are Enigma. I currently have 0 enigmas in my collection.

Christina- I would venture to say be careful while adding in eclipse because it will throw off a lot of your "Cream" look and give you the eclipse look. Be VERY selective in your holdbacks and keep albinos out of it if you can. I produced one Cream Eclipse (pure) and I was not 100% sold on the project. This was right before I sold off a huge chunk of our collection because our new baby. That gecko was sent to a breeder in Hong Kong and I have not heard back from him on his intentions on projects for him.

 

[sunshinegeckos]

Travis,
Thanks for the advice. I have waffled back and forth on it. It is a cool idea but didnt know how it would play out in real life. As this year it would only be hets it would make it even harder. Ill have enough holdbacks as it is with my other projects without adding an additional group. I think I will go back to my other plan for my Eclipse female. I wont be mixing my creamsicles with albino.

I like the color difference the enigma adds to my creamsicles but hoping to get some male and female non enigma creamsicles from my groups to continue to line breed and then my creme enigmas will become my pets only.

 

[tiedxupxinxknots]

Most of my Creams were NOT enigma. It was harder to identify heritable colors with them. I would have to look at my pics I posted again to tell for sure but I know most of them were not Enigma. We only had 1 Enigma breeder for our Cream project. As far as my tangerine line (which as I have stated I am not claiming it as a new line or anything YET), but NONE of those are Enigma. I currently have 0 enigmas in my collection.

Christina- I would venture to say be careful while adding in eclipse because it will throw off a lot of your "Cream" look and give you the eclipse look. Be VERY selective in your holdbacks and keep albinos out of it if you can. I produced one Cream Eclipse (pure) and I was not 100% sold on the project. This was right before I sold off a huge chunk of our collection because our new baby. That gecko was sent to a breeder in Hong Kong and I have not heard back from him on his intentions on projects for him.

Oh I understand. I asked because the examples of your tangerine line looked enigma to me...