D3?

[DexterMorgan]

I heard leos can overdose on Calcium with D3, is this true?

 

[Gregg M]

It is true to a point Kyle...
D3 is a fat soluable vitamin... This means it is kept in storage longer than water soluable vitamins like B, and C...

What can happen over time is a build up of D3 which can affect the kidneys and liver... It could take years of build up before kidneys start to shut down and fail...There are four fat soluable vitamins and they are, Vitamin A (Beta Carotene), Vitamin D, Vitamin E and Vitamin K.
These vitamins are soluable in fat and are stored in the body and an excessive amount of these vitamins can be toxic.


When D3 is taken in via basking in the sun, it enters the body in minute amounts and is just enough to process calcium... In captivity, too much can be given by way of vitamin and calcium supplementation...

What I do to avoid a potential problem is limit the vitamin D3 intake to about once to twice a month...

In my experience this is more than enough D3 intake for leos... I have never had an issue with MBD or with under calcified eggs from females at all...

 

[Next Level Geckos]

I have never had a gecko overdose on D3 at all.......

 

[DexterMorgan]

Thanks greg, I'm going to start giving Tali D3 covered crickets once a month now.

 

[brothaT]

The only thing that gets me is the variance between certain brands of Calcium with D3. I have two brands, Rep-Cal and Repti Calcium. The former has 400,000 IU/Kg and the latter has 22,000 IU/Kg. That's a huge difference, almost 20 times as much in the Rep-Cal.

 

[Gregg M]

I have never had a gecko overdose on D3 at all.......

Ok, how long have you been keeping leos, how many do you own, and how many have died while in your care??? Be honest...

 

[ponylover86]

So should we be feeding cal paowder WITH or WITHOUT D3? I bought the ReptoCal stuff forever ago and I havent had any problems yet.But then again, I dont really know how much they actually consume since its in there tank at all times. So if I should buy something else please let me know so that I can change it.Thanks.

 

[Foreverandever]

So should we be feeding cal paowder WITH or WITHOUT D3? I bought the ReptoCal stuff forever ago and I havent had any problems yet.But then again, I dont really know how much they actually consume since its in there tank at all times. So if I should buy something else please let me know so that I can change it.Thanks.

A dish of calcium without D3 should be available at all times. I use Jurassi Cal...its a clear bottle with a green lid. It is made by JurassiPet and can be found at any large chain store. Calcium with D3 should be offered once or twice a month. I too use the ReptoCal. Please take the d3 out and replace with non d3

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Although my vet says he has NEVER seen a case of hypervitaminosis D3 in a leopard gecko, I still only supplement calcium w/D3 once a week when the geckos get their vitamins, and w/out D3 all the time in their mealworm bowls. I do supplement egging females with D3 more often.

 

[Next Level Geckos]

Ok, how long have you been keeping leos, how many do you own, and how many have died while in your care??? Be honest...

None have died on me at all gregg, and i have been keeping them for almost a year, and They are all healthy gregg. NONE have died.

 

[Next Level Geckos]

Ok, how long have you been keeping leos, how many do you own, and how many have died while in your care??? Be honest...

Oh yeah, gregg, I DONT use in a bowl of calcium, noticing the fact you thought that i did.

 

[Next Level Geckos]

Greg, Ill PM

 

[chrisherp]

It is true to a point Kyle...
D3 is a fat soluable vitamin... This means it is kept in storage longer than water soluable vitamins like B, and C...

What can happen over time is a build up of D3 which can affect the kidneys and liver... It could take years of build up before kidneys start to shut down and fail...There are four fat soluable vitamins and they are, Vitamin A (Beta Carotene), Vitamin D, Vitamin E and Vitamin K.
These vitamins are soluable in fat and are stored in the body and an excessive amount of these vitamins can be toxic.


When D3 is taken in via basking in the sun, it enters the body in minute amounts and is just enough to process calcium... In captivity, too much can be given by way of vitamin and calcium supplementation...

What I do to avoid a potential problem is limit the vitamin D3 intake to about once to twice a month...

In my experience this is more than enough D3 intake for leos... I have never had an issue with MBD or with under calcified eggs from females at all...

If only I would have became a member earlier. So than once a month of calcium with D is sufficient?

 

[grboxa]

i personally use and heard from alot of members on here that repashy calcium plus for leopard geckos is very good because you can dust at every feed due to the fact that it has a safe amount of d3 per feeding.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

i personally use and heard from alot of members on here that repashy calcium plus for leopard geckos is very good because you can dust at every feed due to the fact that it has a safe amount of d3 per feeding.

Correct. Not to mention it's way more convenient to use than 3 separate containers of supplements and vitamins. In my opinion of course.

 

[chrisherp]

i personally use and heard from alot of members on here that repashy calcium plus for leopard geckos is very good because you can dust at every feed due to the fact that it has a safe amount of d3 per feeding.

Old post so I won't be expecting any replies from others
I have been digging the past 2 years and the amounts of vitamin D in these products are not adding up. I think it's overkill. If a reptile is taken to the vet and given injection of Vitamin D3 it would given in a dose of once every 2-4 weeks @ 200IU per kg. 1000 grams= 1kg. Most geckos are under 100 grams.
I questioned a co-worker whose father is a vet and I was told that being noctornal they require only small amounts of D3.
After my painful experience I am more convinced these calculations can be totally off. All the symptoms have collaborated with overdosage.
Most foods alone that we would gutload have Vitamin D so that would increase it to even higher dosage. Yes, I am obsessed
Any input would be appreciated although I think I am going for the safest option UVB. If anyone is intersted in reading some information I have provided a link.

http://www.petinfoclub.com/Exotics/Know_your_pet/Lighting_for_nocturnal_lizards.aspx

 

[grboxa]

^ agree, someone pointed these numbers out aswell recently, i stopped using that product everyday. Heres the info i got from a reputable source regarding dusting at every feeding with that product (repashy plus)....



My biggest concern with the product is that it states to be used with each feeding.
The recommended safe limit is Vit D3 is 5,000 IU/kg of food (dry weight)

I have been using zoo med repti calcium lately and this is what it states.
VitD3 10,390 iu.........22,907iu

12 dusted crickets per week for every 2.5 ounces (71 grams) of body weight

That is a hell of a difference.

So that has twice the amount and it says dust daily?

 

[gracedev]

:furious3::furious3:

^ agree, someone pointed these numbers out aswell recently, i stopped using that product everyday. Heres the info i got from a reputable source regarding dusting at every feeding with that product (repashy plus)....



My biggest concern with the product is that it states to be used with each feeding.
The recommended safe limit is Vit D3 is 5,000 IU/kg of food (dry weight)

I have been using zoo med repti calcium lately and this is what it states.
VitD3 10,390 iu.........22,907iu

12 dusted crickets per week for every 2.5 ounces (71 grams) of body weight

That is a hell of a difference.

So that has twice the amount and it says dust daily?

I recently took my gecko to the vet and I showed her a bottle of that stuff for approval and she almost fell of her chair.

 

[grboxa]

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