Depressed Leo

Tempest09

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I would disagree, I know exactly how much could have been done, the thing is it didn't get out of hand and could have been worse to remove the male only to reintroduce him later. The agression would most likely have remained and perhaps been worse. The only way eco earth can raise the humidity is if it is damp or wet. And just as you have heard that it is the worst, I have heard it can be perfectly acceptable depending on the situtation. Hearing simply doesn't make it so on either side. The only place that remains damp is the moist hide. But substrate was not the problem in this case, I've had it checked in case my relative assumption was wrong. The only advice that answered my questions was offer different food. While I had tried he had refused waxworms. I did consider substrate problems and investigated it but it did not fit the symptoms and as I said turned out to not be any kind of problem. I've read the various arguments for and against all and any substrate out there, I did do my research. I do not advocate for a particular one since I have not had experience with all of them but I also did not post a question to have people decide it was my substrate that was the only possible problem and I didn't know any better nor care about my geckos. My question had been if anyone had experienced depressed appetite after breeding or any kind of fighting. No one paid attention to that question nor offered an answer or alternative.
I had investigated impactions and various other problems and had pointed out as much yet it continued to be the only thing that could be wrong. Despite everyone's conviction he is completely free and clear.
I appreciate the advice and the suggestions but I would appreciate my descision respected as I am most likely not the only one. And while I like the fact that another possible reason could have been the problem and was pointed out, I did not like that that became the center of the problem and my question was not answered nor considered.
Now that I'm done grouching....
As for my male, he is now eating, though with a decided ban on crickets and never required being removed from the others. I vary their meals but crickets are primary. He has even decided I make a very good climbing post and comes to me every time I put my hand in the cage. Though I believe this change is because I make the most convient escape route. However this is a huge change as none of them preferred to be handled and never willingly climbed into my hand. I have not the faintest idea what caused that. Thanks nnoosss for your suggestion on mealworms and experience with the food. I appreciated it very much. He's loving it and the girls don't mind a few though they prefer chasing the crickets.
 

gecko4245

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well you did a terrible job in reseaching obviously because you are still using lose substrate and you doubted everything everybody said. These people have alot more experience than you but you want to be hardheaded. You make no sense.
 

Russellm0704

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^^^^^^
I'n a nicer way, we here on the forums all have different techniques of caring for our geckos, but we all do follow the most important guidelines. We are here to help and we can't force anyone to listen to us. Just hear us out. I have had geckos get impacted from that stuff and it was only in his humid hide. Watching a gecko throw up and be sick is very saddening.
 

artes

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Alabama
I've been lurking this post for awhile, and I have to agree with gecko4245 here. You did not do a great job researching if you think eco-earth is the best substrate to use for leopard geckos. Even picking up the book at the petstore when you bought your gecko would have said no to eco earth. Books recommend newspaper or paper towel. I recommend slate tile 10000%. It conducts heat really well, if you get some with a bit of texture it seems to help with their nails, and mine love it. I'm glad you haven't had a problem YET with the eco-earth, but why would you risk it? Each piece of tile, if you get the fancy pretty stuff, costs about 1.50$. My 40 gallon breeder tank required 4 or 5 pieces, I don't remember which now. Unlike the eco-earth, it never needs replacing, just needs cleaning.

And if you think your gecko is sick when its living with other geckos, you should really remove it immediately. You don't want to risk all of your geckos getting sick.

Now, as for your gecko ignoring crickets, do you leave the crickets in the tank, or do you remove them after a few hours if they haven't finished them up? If he's snubbing crickets, he was likely bit by one. Those things hurt when they bite.
 

TylerDurden

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Baltimore
+1 to slate tile. I'm VERY new to this, listened to recommendation from these forums for slate tile as opposed to carpet, and I am VERY happy with it. It takes a little work (you need to go somewhere like lowes with measurements of your tank floor and get someone to cut the tile for you if you don't have the means to do it yourself, and you need some play-sand to fill in the gaps) but it was well worth it. Extremely easy to clean, no risk of ingestion of loose substrate, and it looks nice. Also seems to transfer heat reasonably well.
 

nnoossss

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Grand Rapids, MI
Slate tile is great and i will have it in all my tanks too come all i did was get a 5 pack or watever they had i had too cut the sides a bit but they almost fit in the tank whole as they were i used 3 off them, i used paper towel underneath the tiles instead off sand just as an extra precautionary measure i guess and it works great. I will recommend this kind off floor too anyone with substrate questions.
 

nnoossss

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Grand Rapids, MI
Yea crickets are not a choice for me anymore, and i think this is definetly the biggest reason why, granted i never left them in there over night but i didnt take them out right away either so i just gutload my wormies now.
 

OnlineGeckos

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Believe it or not, I feed crickets as treats or to jump start a newly arrived gecko to start eating. It works especially if you don't feed crickets as a staple. I feed mainly dubia roaches & superworms. But when I have a new gecko that does not want to eat anything I have, a cricket or two usually gets them going. :)
 

nnoossss

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Grand Rapids, MI
Believe it or not, I feed crickets as treats or to jump start a newly arrived gecko to start eating. It works especially if you don't feed crickets as a staple. I feed mainly dubia roaches & superworms. But when I have a new gecko that does not want to eat anything I have, a cricket or two usually gets them going. :)[/

Good point
 

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