Did I hit the 4?

[adamsky27]

My adults were bought from The Urban Gecko as Rainwater Albino 100% het Typhoon (male) and Mack Snow Rainwater Albino 100% het Typhoon (female). From some of the geckos I've been hatching out they seem to have been het patternless as well, although they weren't sold to me that way. So I hatched this guy out. Did I hit all four (rainwater albino, mack snow, eclipse, and patternless)? It has been pure white with 100% black eyes since it was born. No signs of coloring up at all yet. If I did hit all four, is there a name they use for this morph combo? Sorry for the poor photos, they are the best I could do, lol.

 

[adamsky27]

I sent TUG an email to ask them, does anybody else have any ideas?

 

[DrCarrotTail]

I am absolutely not an authority on morphs but she looks like a super snow, patternless to me. I'm not 100% sure on the albino and eclipse traits for the following reasons: 1) If her eyes are indeed black and not really dark red then I don't think she can be albino. 2) I think super snow eyes are solid. I'm not sure how you can tell if the gecko is super snow and eclipse? I hope someone with more expertise might chime in on this one

Lastly, most of the pictures of patternless snows (not super) I've seen have a tinge of yellow to them which leads me to think yours is super snow. Both the parents need to be snows in order to get a super snow. I would think this means your male is also snow. If he's definitely not I'm clueless as to what you have there! Haha

 

[Dimidiata]

I thought patternless babies had those markings on their necks and such when they were young? Still, i suck with genetics and was just wondering what the indicators for each of the 4 were in the babies?

 

[adamsky27]

I am absolutely not an authority on morphs but she looks like a super snow, patternless to me. I'm not 100% sure on the albino and eclipse traits for the following reasons: 1) If her eyes are indeed black and not really dark red then I don't think she can be albino. 2) I think super snow eyes are solid. I'm not sure how you can tell if the gecko is super snow and eclipse? I hope someone with more expertise might chime in on this one

Well typhoons are Rainwater Albino Eclipse. So they are albino with completely blacked out eyes. It definitely is a rainwater albino, as both parents were rainwater albinos, one being a mack snow rainwater albino. So I'm quite sure its what I guess it is, I was just hoping somebody with more experience would confirm it for me. Either way its a holdback, lol.

Just an edit: The eyes don't have to be completely blacked out, but must show some type of eclipse in them.

 

[DrCarrotTail]

Eclipse eyes are solid colored - not necessarily black. They are black in normal colored geckos and red in albino. I am fairly sure albino geckos cannot have black eyes but their eyes can be so dark a red that they appear black. You can tell the difference if you look closely in the right light. I recently purchased several typhoons and also own a Raptor (the Tremper albino version of typhoon). All mine have red eclipse eyes.

Do you have pictures of the parents? I'd love to see them - that gecko is awesome!

 

[Halley]

It's most likely a Super Snow Patternless Rainwater from appearance. Typically you can tell if a Super Snow is also an eclipse (a.k.a. total eclipse) by its white nose, tail, and legs. However, with the patternless trait the entire gecko typically turns out to be white, so it's impossible to tell if you have all 4 genes, without test breeding the animal first.

I would personally breed the animal to an eclipse and a patternless. One pairing should give you 100% mack eclipse, while the later should give you 100% mack patternless. If you get something different, than your gecko isn't a Super Patty Typhoon, but if you get these results then you know you ended up getting really lucky with your odds.

 

[adamsky27]

Thank you very much for the detailed reply. I wish it was a little bit bigger so I could know the sex. I'd like to pick up an eclipse and a patternless at Tinley. I guess I'll know next season.

 

[DrCarrotTail]

Careful picking up an eclipse if you're breeding Rainwaters (or any albino) - patternless too for that matter. The eclipse trait was first released along with Tremper Albino and many have hidden hets for Tremper. I'm not sure I would trust that either a patternless or eclipse was "albino-free" unless the person selling it could provide specifics (like numbers of clutches and numbers of non-albino offspring produced) from parent test-breeds or ideally test breeding the gecko you're purchasing. Known "pures" tend to be hard to come by and pricey ($200-$400) for this reason.

 

[RampantReptiles]

I think I see a super snow pattern on the second one but my eyes may be playing tricks on me. I would grow them out and see what happens.
My guess is what you have is a mix of SS rainwater poss het Eclipse and SS typhoons. Which you would need to test breed to prove the SS typhoons. Test breed to an eclipse or typhoon (no snow) and if all hatchlings are ms eclipse then you have a SS typhoon.
Patternless have weird blotches to them. Im not sure if they do in the SS form, I dont think so. Patternless is possible but you may end up needing to test breed the geckos to prove it.

 

[adamsky27]

Well the male was sold as just a rainwater albino 100% het typhoon. The female a mack snow rainwater albino 100% het typhoon. Here are the parents.

Male:

Female:

I sent TUG (where I bought them) an email a few days ago to see what they thought, no answer from them yet.

 

[RampantReptiles]

I have produced Super Snow RAPTORs that have what looks like no pattern but was not visible until half grown or almost into adult hood. You might have the same thing going on here...

example:

 

[RampantReptiles]

The male is not real colorful and doesnt have any carrot tail, these could be signs that he is MS...

 

[DrCarrotTail]

Yeah they both look kind of "snowy" to me. Both are awesome! Keep us posted on how that little one grows!

 

[adamsky27]

Thanks for the help guys, I'm going to try to get some other photos from some of their other babies that have hatched. I got some interesting ones, that's why I believe they are het patternless as well.

 

[RampantReptiles]

Would love to see more

 

[adamsky27]

Here are more from these guys from this year. Sorry for the crappy photos, I just took them as I was cleaning and feeding.

 

[adamsky27]

The male is not real colorful and doesnt have any carrot tail, these could be signs that he is MS...

I see what you are saying about the carrot tail. Neither of the parents do, some of the babies do though (see above). Would the male be considered a "low grade" MSRWA then?

 

[Thorgecko707]

I'd say they were het patternless. Picture seven and eleven are Murphy patternless.

 

[RampantReptiles]

Yeah the murphy patternless in that group definitely proves them het mp

Are any of them typhoons? Maybe the first one but hard to tell.

Still think you have Super Snow Rainwaters which means dad is MS. If you look at the pic of the white gecko, his/her shape of the head looks slimmer along the nose and the back of the head, this is a SS trait that some Supers have. But they definitely could also be patty and eclipse! lol

Some of your hatchlings are not MS. MS tend to have less carrot tail than normal morphs and it is reflected in the babies as well.