Disturbing video...

[The NY Gecko]

i guess i'm really missing something here but, snapping turtles will eat anything. and i'm sure if a leopard geckos was to walk out in front of one in the wild the gecko would be gone. i have not seen the film and dont know what the reaction of the people who posted so i guess i'll shut my mouth. as for hunting for sport, most hunters dont do it because they have to, we do it because we love the thrill of the hunt and kill. and watch it on tv for entertainment.

And because we like the taste of wild game over the hay fed stuff you buy at the store.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I guess i'm really missing something here but, snapping turtles will eat anything. and i'm sure if a leopard geckos was to walk out in front of one in the wild the gecko would be gone.

Two things come to mind... snapping turtles and leopard geckos aren't anywhere near each other in the wild, so they arent' a 'natural' food source. Second, feeding a leopard gecko to a snapping turtle and filming it to put it on the internet is just sick. I suppose some people would find it entertaining, but most of us here of GF do not.

 

[geckohaven]

sorry i realize this is pretty much a leopard gecko forum and for me to have said anything was kinda dumb so i'll just butt out!!

 

[Scott&Nikki]

So, is it that everyone is angry that it was filmed and put on the internet? Or are people angry that it happened in the first place? Someone made a comment how some things are just "normal" to them. The only reason things get to be "normal" is because its socially accepted and repeatedly done. If people had been feeding geckos to turtles for years, you would eventually think of it as a "normal thing".

Just for the record, I completely agree with the opinion of it being wrong to film this for entertainment. I mean, I'm pretty against it when its not even for entertainment purposes (which is why I do not eat meat).

 

[bohannbj]

Quote:You know, it makes me wonder if the kids who find entertainment in this kind of animal torture wind up growing up into serial killers.

Sorry I'm not familiar yet with Quote protocols.
Speaking as someone with a psychology degree, I will say that animal abuse is a number one factor in predicting anti-social behavior. This means that these type of people do stand a higher chance of becoming serial killers or any type of killer for that matter. Being a science teacher I understand the cycles of life, but I question the mere "appropriateness" of feeding a leo to a turtle. We in the business have a technical term for these type of kids; BUTT MUNCH.

 

[geckohaven]

Quote:You know, it makes me wonder if the kids who find entertainment in this kind of animal torture wind up growing up into serial killers.

Sorry I'm not familiar yet with Quote protocols.
Speaking as someone with a psychology degree, I will say that animal abuse is a number one factor in predicting anti-social behavior. This means that these type of people do stand a higher chance of becoming serial killers or any type of killer for that matter. Being a science teacher I understand the cycles of life, but I question the mere "appropriateness" of feeding a leo to a turtle. We in the business have a technical term for these type of kids; BUTT MUNCH.

someone please send me the link to this video i have to see what its all about. i'm really not sure how this is animal abuse it sounds like the kids just fed the turtle a gecko and i'm pretty. i think we need to revert to the old saying "boys will be boys" and not say they are more likly to become serial killers. i really think that is a bit harsh!!!

 

[bohannbj]

There is a difference between "boys will be boys" and setting something up to die, simply for amusement. This type of stuff is just the precursors to dog fighting and you do see a strong comorbidity with that and illegal activity. Just to clarify though, I'm not saying we should arrest this kid now, but it disturbing and should be noted.

 

[geckohaven]

LOL

 

[The NY Gecko]

I'm taking criminal justice right now, and as it stands there is no 100% accepted reason as to why people turn out the way they do. When I say that, I mean serial killers, murderers, rapists, etc. There are simply too many factors in play.

 

[geckohaven]

ok i went and looked up the video myself and SURPRISINGLY found nothing disturbing about it. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ihhJ-2NIrEA . other than being offended by a leopard gecko dying what was so disturbing. there was no laughing by the guy taping the gecko was not harmed at all by the guy, all it was was a video of a turtle eating a lizard!!!! please fill me in on the disturbing part please! BTW how do we know that he doesnt breed leopard geckos to feed his turtle? kinda make sense to be as leopard geckos are pretty cheap to manage and are prolific as hell! may take that into consideration?

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

kinda make sense to be as leopard geckos are pretty cheap to manage and are prolific as hell! may take that into consideration?

well maybe you do not give a rats back end about it but others do. Why don't you email him and ask him if he breeds leos to feed to the tort........ and maybe read up one tort feeding: (http://www.turtlehomes.org/usa/snappingturtles.shtml) although reptiles are on the POSSIBLE list they are not on the NORMAL diet list.

There are MANY other CHEAPER feeders that he could have gone for!

I just cannot get why some people keep baiting this subject, are people really that inhumane these days, am I living in a world where it is common to just go out and buy any animal just to feed it to another to make a video of it? is it going to be common ground here soon to breed small dogs and cats to feed to snakes (well it is already being done Im sure but is it normal)

Now again, and Im pretty sure its been said OVER AND OVER in this thread, IF a leopard gecko was a NORMAL every day part of the snapping torts diet, NO ONE would be having this discussion.

It is the point that IT IS NOT a part of the torts diet and the video was made just to see the leo fall to death by tort.

I fed pinks to my leos, did I like it NO, but it was a part of their NATURAL diet.

I guess there are just some people that never will be able to grasp simple things.

 

[geckohaven]

hey thanks for the insult! also thanks for the care sheet, didnt say POSSIBLE it said reptiles ARE a part of the diet. do you always go around calling people stupid?
"I guess there are just some people that never will be able to grasp simple things"

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

hey thanks for the insult! also thanks for the care sheet, didnt say POSSIBLE it said reptiles ARE a part of the diet. do you always go around calling people stupid?
"I guess there are just some people that never will be able to grasp simple things"

The POSSIBLE part would be the fact that torts do eat other small reptiles but seeing that it would be impossible for a leopard gecko to be on that list since snapping turtles do not live in the desert I was giving you the chance to explaint o me how the 2 would come in contact.

Snapping Turtles live in AQUATIC regions not in the DESERT so as its been said before, the 2 would never come in contact in the wild. So on the simple side of things once again the leo is NOT a part of the torts NATURAL diet.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

[puts on mod hat]There is no reason whatsoever that this thread's topic cannot be a debate without making inflammatory comments to each other. KNOCK IT OFF![/takes off mod hat]

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

The simple fact that this was filmed and put on utube is indicative that it was done for entertainment purposes. Most people do not find this entertaining... especially here on a forum that loves geckos.

 

[gaparicio]

The simple fact that this was filmed and put on utube is indicative that it was done for entertainment purposes. Most people do not find this entertaining... especially here on a forum that loves geckos.

This is the main reason why I put this on here. If I knew it would come to this, I wouldn't have posted anything. What was wrong in the video TO ME was the fact that a gecko (a lizard that I happen to care for, breed and raise)was fed to a snapping turtle. As a pet gecko owner, I winced at the video. I simply didn't like it that's all, nothing more nothing less. We all know there are people in this world that do awful things and I know we can't control it either. If you look at my posts I stated that it made my stomach turn and I wanted to get it out of my chest.

This is a great example of the insensitivity (if that's a word) of people and pets. What I mean is there are many people (just watch Animal Cops) who have pets in horrible shape and look at the officers like there's nothing wrong with the animal. The dog/cat could be severely emaciated and full of fleas or matted hair and they're like "nothing's wrong with my dog, I feed him/her every day."

The same goes for pet shop owners or breeders of whatever animal. Just because you own or breed animals it doesn't mean you actually like it. Some owners are simply in it for the money regardless if said animal is receiving proper care. Go to low end kennels or pet shops and you'll see what I mean.

Simply put, we on this forum take great pride in our hobby. I honestly don't know anyone here will ever feed their geckos to another animal on purpose.

I'm not bashing anyone, I'm just simply stating my opinions.

 

[GoGo]

You dont even have to watch it to know this was done for FUN. Read the title, its not snapper being fed a leo, its Snapper vs. Leo, and then the description says "My friends common snapper turtle having fun."
And besides that, before the guy even feeds it to the turtle, hes half drowning the poor thing.

 

[bohannbj]

That's what we found most disturbing. The fact that he plays with the leo before feeding it is what upset my wife and I. I have to feed pinkies to my baby snake, but I don't revel in it. I put them in a box and wait for the snake to finish.

 

[The NY Gecko]

I see an awful lot of hypocrisy here. Somehow, if it was a rat, it would've been ok. However, since it was a gecko, everyones in an uproar. It's only because you share a common love for the animals. I love them too, but I'm not going to put them up on a pedastal and undermine the lives of another creature, such as a rat, compared to them. It IS hypocritical. It's everything or nothing. Either all feeders are 100% not ok or they all are.


It's similar to the cat/dog argument made earlier. Yeah, people do it. The only reason people would find it wrong compared to a rat is the association with pets and domestication. If so many people didn't have those animals as pets, it wouldn't be given a forethought or after thought.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

Tom tht is not it, not to me anyway, if a rat is a part of the snapping turtles natural diet then fine (Ive seen rats swim in lakes to get from one side to the other), if it was a video of a snapping turtle eating a baby turtle it would have been fine (which I keep as pets) since that is a part of their natural diet etc.

The point is the video was not mde to show natural feeding of the snapping turtle of a natural food item, it was made for the pure excitement of watching it eat the leopard gecko which will never be a part of its natural diet UNLESS the snapping turtles become desert creatures or the leopard geckos become aquatic creatures.