does being het for somthing change the look of the gecko?

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Anthony Neubauer
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i have seen jungles 100% het raptor that look like raptors with a jungle pattern.is this coincidence or does being het change the look of the leopard gecko
 

artgecko

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RAPTOR is a combination of several genes. Being het for the recessive traits should not influence the phenotype (how it appears). However, in the RAPTOR, the patternless and orange are polygenic (influenced by multiple genes) and some of these can be expressed in the offspring. So being het for the albino or eclipse traits from RAPTOR should not have an effect on the look. But the overall appearance is influenced by many factors.
 

Friedbread

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I've heard that geckos that are het for blizzard tend to be very speckled and spotty. That's not to say that ever dotted gecko is het for blizzard though.
 

OneFootedAce

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I've heard that geckos that are het for blizzard tend to be very speckled and spotty. That's not to say that ever dotted gecko is het for blizzard though.

yup often times, blizzard and murphy's patternless gives a much more spotted look to the leo, very speckly ;) There isnt a whole lot of trait markers in leos that we know of right now besides the blizzard/patty gene.
 

godzillizard

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Some yes, some no. Some of the simple recessive genes have tells or markers...(like with blizzard and Murphy patty) LV hets have a distinct skull structure to me, shorter and more feminine some how...
 

paulh

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All gene pairs are either heterozygous or homozygous.

In a homozygous gene pair, the two genes are the same.
In a heterozygous gene pair, the two genes are not the same.

Ideally, an animal with a heterozygous gene pair containing a normal gene and a recessive mutant gene looks normal. Example: a gecko with a Tremper albino mutant gene and a normal gene looks normal.

Ideally, an animal with a heterozygous gene pair containing a normal gene and either a dominant mutant gene or a codominant mutant gene does not look normal. Example: a gecko with a Mack snow mutant gene and a normal gene does not look normal.

Many herpers assume that a heterozygous gene pair always contains a normal gene and a recessive mutant gene and that the animal looks normal. This is a mistake dating back 15 or 20 years to the time when all known mutant genes in reptiles were recessive to the normal version of each gene.
 

mlw50

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Just to throw in my two cents. From a completely biological standpoint, if an animal is heterozygous for a particular recessive trait, then there should be no difference between that animal and the wildtype. So when someone tells you that a het blizzard is more speckled, that in actuality means that the allele that causes a gecko to be a blizzard is somewhat incompletely dominant.
 

herpencounter

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Just to throw in my two cents. From a completely biological standpoint, if an animal is heterozygous for a particular recessive trait, then there should be no difference between that animal and the wildtype. So when someone tells you that a het blizzard is more speckled, that in actuality means that the allele that causes a gecko to be a blizzard is somewhat incompletely dominant.

The thing is it does not happen to ALL Het. Blizzards (To my understanding). But... I totally agree with you.

I don't know if this is me being a smart ass. But... I don't care.

Heterozygous does not refer to just RECESSIVE traits. Mack snow is the heterozygous form of the super snow. Almost all enigmas in the world are heterozygous. So... Yes. Being heterozygous for different traits will change the look of the gecko.

J.
 
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artgecko

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Just to throw in my two cents. From a completely biological standpoint, if an animal is heterozygous for a particular recessive trait, then there should be no difference between that animal and the wildtype. So when someone tells you that a het blizzard is more speckled, that in actuality means that the allele that causes a gecko to be a blizzard is somewhat incompletely dominant.

Could it also mean that there were other genes in the blizzard parent that are contributing to the overall look?
 

BalloonzForU

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Just to throw in my two cents. From a completely biological standpoint, if an animal is heterozygous for a particular recessive trait, then there should be no difference between that animal and the wildtype. So when someone tells you that a het blizzard is more speckled, that in actuality means that the allele that causes a gecko to be a blizzard is somewhat incompletely dominant.

While this is a very true statement, there has been no proof that all speckled leos are in fact het for blizzard.
 

Taquiq

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RAPTOR is a combination of several genes. Being het for the recessive traits should not influence the phenotype (how it appears). However, in the RAPTOR, the patternless and orange are polygenic (influenced by multiple genes) and some of these can be expressed in the offspring. So being het for the albino or eclipse traits from RAPTOR should not have an effect on the look. But the overall appearance is influenced by many factors.

Patternless is recessive. No if something is het for something it does not change the phenotype. It is only the genotype which is the hets.
 

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