enigma genetics

[Laporte]

Hi, I just purchased a bell w/y enigma and recieved her septemember 19, she is not very old and doesnt seem to be showing any of the enigma symptomes. I read also that some don't show any symptomes, but that got me thinking, do they show symptomes right from hatchling into their long lives, or do they hatch completly normal and develope these syndromes?

I searched really quick on google and all I seem to find are videos of troubled little geckos and very short paragraphs of what it is.

Tyler Laporte

/e you can tell the differnece in quality between camera baha

 

[WilliamTheLeopardGecko]

Very nice geckos, though.

 

[That_DL_Kid]

Enigma syndrome can appear at any point in the geckos life. Periods of stress can cause symptoms to appear.

 

[RampantReptiles]

Enigma syndrome can come and go at any time. Can be born with it or develop it later in life. The most important thing to remember is that stress usually makes it worse. Some common stressors are breeding, shipping, and bright light.

 

[Laporte]

Enigma syndrome can come and go at any time. Can be born with it or develop it later in life. The most important thing to remember is that stress usually makes it worse. Some common stressors are breeding, shipping, and bright light.

Enigma syndrome can appear at any point in the geckos life. Periods of stress can cause symptoms to appear.

Thanks for the info, I will definitely try to accommodate this not by choice lifestyle.

My only other question that I seem to have a hard time finding info on is colours that are seen by the leopard gecko eye, I thought I had read that they cannot see red and blue, but then that was debated, I know that shadows peak their interest and is the easiest for them to see but has it ever been proven what colours they can see?

 

[katie_]

Do they need to be able to see colours for any specific reason, or are you just curious?

 

[Embrace Calamity]

Thanks for the info, I will definitely try to accommodate this not by choice lifestyle.

My only other question that I seem to have a hard time finding info on is colours that are seen by the leopard gecko eye, I thought I had read that they cannot see red and blue, but then that was debated, I know that shadows peak their interest and is the easiest for them to see but has it ever been proven what colours they can see?

"Visible light, including UVA, is essential. Many reptiles have extremely good color vision. Humans have three types of retinal cone cells for color vision, and their brains combine the information from these cells and perceive the blend as a certain color. Most reptiles, however, have a fourth cone type, which responds to UVA. These reptiles see a much more colorful rainbow than humans do, which makes providing natural lighting quite a challenge. This extra color perception is especially important to many reptile species in recognizing others of their species and even food items.

Some nocturnal geckos lack the red-sensitive cone, but their green-sensitive cone also responds to red light; they can certainly see it. Studies have even shown that some use their cone types for color vision in light similar to dim moonlight. Thus it is possible that “moonlight blue” or “red night light” lamps, which usually are much brighter than moonlight, alter these animals’ view of the twilight world."

I go by that. Maybe some people would care to dispute it, but based on how my leo acts when I had his red light on (in comparison to now when I use a CHE), I believe it.

http://www.reptilechannel.com/reptile-health/reptile-natural-artificial-light.aspx

~Maggot

 

[Laporte]

Do they need to be able to see colours for any specific reason, or are you just curious?

Mostly a mixture, I'm a pretty curious person, hungry for info, also if they can see red and blue then having over head lamps in those colours could be blinding for them.

"Visible light, including UVA, is essential. Many reptiles have extremely good color vision. Humans have three types of retinal cone cells for color vision, and their brains combine the information from these cells and perceive the blend as a certain color. Most reptiles, however, have a fourth cone type, which responds to UVA. These reptiles see a much more colorful rainbow than humans do, which makes providing natural lighting quite a challenge. This extra color perception is especially important to many reptile species in recognizing others of their species and even food items.

Some nocturnal geckos lack the red-sensitive cone, but their green-sensitive cone also responds to red light; they can certainly see it. Studies have even shown that some use their cone types for color vision in light similar to dim moonlight. Thus it is possible that “moonlight blue” or “red night light” lamps, which usually are much brighter than moonlight, alter these animals’ view of the twilight world."

I go by that. Maybe some people would care to dispute it, but based on how my leo acts when I had his red light on (in comparison to now when I use a CHE), I believe it.

http://www.reptilechannel.com/reptile-health/reptile-natural-artificial-light.aspx

~Maggot

Thanks for the quotation, definitely gonna look further into it.

 

[Laporte]

Very nice geckos, though.

It's the same gecko, pic1 is from the breeders cam and pic2 is an iPod cam haha

 

[Embrace Calamity]

Mostly a mixture, I'm a pretty curious person, hungry for info, also if they can see red and blue then having over head lamps in those colours could be blinding for them.



Thanks for the quotation, definitely gonna look further into it.

You're welcome. You could try red light versus a CHE with your leo and see if you notice any difference. I know I did. He's much more active when the red light isn't on. But I've spoken to one or two people who said they didn't noticed any difference.

I also found this really interesting article:
Lizard 'Third Eye' Sheds Light On Evolution Of Color Vision

~Maggot

 

[Laporte]

You're welcome. You could try red light versus a CHE with your leo and see if you notice any difference. I know I did. He's much more active when the red light isn't on. But I've spoken to one or two people who said they didn't noticed any difference.

I also found this really interesting article:
Lizard 'Third Eye' Sheds Light On Evolution Of Color Vision

~Maggot

That has got to be the most interesting thing I've read about leopard geckos yet, makes me think that over a period of time and specific lights and lighting schedules you could probably trick a gecko into sleeping at night and and to be active during the day, wether or not that is good for leopard gecko is a different story.

The articles clarified lots and really helped out, gonna pick up a few CHE's and maybe a few green lights, I have blue lights, which would be good for daytime heat I suppose if they aren't to bright.

 

[Embrace Calamity]

That has got to be the most interesting thing I've read about leopard geckos yet, makes me think that over a period of time and specific lights and lighting schedules you could probably trick a gecko into sleeping at night and and to be active during the day, wether or not that is good for leopard gecko is a different story.

The articles clarified lots and really helped out, gonna pick up a few CHE's and maybe a few green lights, I have blue lights, which would be good for daytime heat I suppose if they aren't to bright.

I'd imagine that would only work if you could block out daylight from outside, like in a basement. Even then, I dunno if their bodies would still be able to tell enough of a difference for it to negatively affect them.

Do you mean green lights for nighttime heat? 'Cause they can see that too, as they have green-sensitive cones. Unless you mean for daytime heat, in which case, I'm curious why you don't just use regular white lights?

~Maggot