Enigma trait expression

[Ian S.]

:main_laugh: I am with Jeremy, on this.

:main_evilgrin: LMAO!! ok... everyone, dig up some dirt on Dan and Jeremy:main_robin: so they tell. :main_laugh:

 

[Gazz]

I still dont think het Enigmas should be called "hets"... LOL

Thanks again Sandra!!!

I agree if that is the way the genetic of the enigma tern out to be.Any one here bird wise-the feathered kind :kiss2: .What about the term (single factor-SF) and (double factor-DF) so the enigmas at presant if i'm right are SF/enigma.

Any i'll wright it the bird way.The morph is grey/green-(it's dominant)
Single factor-(SF)
Double factor-(DF)
Wild green-(W)

Grey/green(SF) X (W)green = 50%(W)green50%grey/green(SF).

Grey/green(SF) X grey/green(SF) = 25%(W)green50%grey/green(SF)25%grey/green(DF).

Grey/green(DF) X (W)green = 100%grey/green(SF).

Grey/green(DF) X grey/green(SF) = 50%grey/green(SF)50%grey/green(DF).

Grey/green(DF) X grey/green(DF) = 100%grey/green(DF).

I think this is a better way to explain and word it rather than het ?.

 

[cjreptiles]

Im sure that the single allele Enigma isnt even considered at het, becuase its not recessive, until we can find the correct term for a dominant gene with only 1 of the allele showing the gene, i thing we should refer to them as single allele and double allele Enigmas

hetero{sm}zygous (-{sm}za{shti}g{schwa}s) a., having different alleles at one or more genetic loci (Oxford English Dictionary).

 

[boutiquegecko]

I have a question. Why couldn't you have het enigmas? There were people who bought het enigmas at the Daytona show when they first appeared. What are those then if they aren't het enigma? Or were they het for the red eye version of the enigma?
And Kelli does have a male. She posted pics of him and his girl and her first clutches that hatched.

 

[Grinning Geckos]

It's all a matter of semantics. By definition, they are hets ... but there's not much point in stating it. Like I said before...the true challenge is proving you have a homo enigma.

From what I've gathered, a red-eye enigma is the same thing as a Bell enigma. So, I could totally understand someone stating "enigma het bell" ... as that would be a significant difference to just "enigma". I can also see stating "Homozygous enigma (if you can prove it) het Bell" because that will give you a much better chance at getting red-eyed enigmas.

 

[trizzypballr]

hetero{sm}zygous (-{sm}za{shti}g{schwa}s) a., having different alleles at one or more genetic loci (Oxford English Dictionary).

I gotta say your right on this one, my mistake I read to far into a definition and misinterpeted it. I double checked and got pretty much the same as you did.

An organism is a heterozygote or is heterozygous at a locus or gene when it has different alleles occupying the gene's position in each of the homologous chromosomes. In other words, it describes an individual that has 2 different alleles for a trait

So I guess there would be a homo enigma and a het enigma, thing is you would have to have either to proven homo parents, or an enigma to a normal to be able to say for sure what you produced without test breeding it

 

[cjreptiles]

I gotta say your right on this one, my mistake I read to far into a definition and misinterpeted it. I double checked and got pretty much the same as you did.

An organism is a heterozygote or is heterozygous at a locus or gene when it has different alleles occupying the gene's position in each of the homologous chromosomes. In other words, it describes an individual that has 2 different alleles for a trait

So I guess there would be a homo enigma and a het enigma, thing is you would have to have either to proven homo parents, or an enigma to a normal to be able to say for sure what you produced without test breeding it

That's exactly what I believe, yes.

 

[trizzypballr]

now, hopefully someone can prove out a homo pair, and a het pair, and share the breeding results with us to actully prove this trait out. This will take alittle bit of work, probley a few years oviously also. Maybe kelli could contribute her output since she has gotten to breed them longer than anyone, we should try to come up with some sort of database of info from hatchlings. I would love to see if someone could actully prove their first gen enigma out to be a homo enigma. then they would know their female is homo, and their male would have to be het they could breed those together, incubate for all males, and breed each male to a normal, one of the males should be proven out homo, then simply breed the homo male back to the homo female, and there should be ALL enigmas produced. If the first year of breeding enigma to enigma there are still normals produced, and when homo is bred to homo all enigmas are produced, then the genetics have been proven out. If someone can prove out a homo enigma this year, it would be a 4 year process. Wow it stinks to wait around for things to be proven out