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Eublepharis subspecies
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Nigel4less
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Awesome Subspecies those Afghanicus blow my mind with how tiny they are compared to average adult fe/males!
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Cool geckos! I dont know about 43-45g. being a "dwarf", but anyways very interesting.
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Pedersen, Soe
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42g for a female afghanicus. Wouhhh
The biggest of the parents.....and grandparents...has newer been more than 31g ( Lotta says the females are from me) I wonder why they are so big. Could it be than after a few generations the need for a hibernation period is lacking, and they can grow more before their first breeding?
I am interested in the other specialities that puzzles like: Do they still need a moist area in their first months? Do they require lower temperatures than normals? and especially Do the eggs tolerate the higher temperatures?
I haven`t kept any for myself, so I don`t know if the small differences that was experienced will continue or disappear during the generations.
Best wishes
Søe
The biggest of the parents.....and grandparents...has newer been more than 31g ( Lotta says the females are from me) I wonder why they are so big. Could it be than after a few generations the need for a hibernation period is lacking, and they can grow more before their first breeding?
I am interested in the other specialities that puzzles like: Do they still need a moist area in their first months? Do they require lower temperatures than normals? and especially Do the eggs tolerate the higher temperatures?
I haven`t kept any for myself, so I don`t know if the small differences that was experienced will continue or disappear during the generations.
Best wishes
Søe
that is weird i went down and checked all of the adault females and the average is like 39-40 but they are as you will see plump. i bet if they layed a clutch they would be 31-33 so that would be about right here are my girls.
What can i say i guess they just get bigger here must be something in the water:main_thumbsup:
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can you spot the non afghanicus hahahha :main_thumbsup: this is why they are dwarfs
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What can i say i guess they just get bigger here must be something in the water:main_thumbsup:
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can you spot the non afghanicus hahahha :main_thumbsup: this is why they are dwarfs
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cheeseball705
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matt if you are giving them state college water there is something in the water. lol. trust me i seen the water filtration system at toftrees before and been sprayed by it lol.
malt_geckos
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Matt, those are some nice geckos!
I'm having a really hard time finding that non-afghanicus in that "pile" of geckos....
I'm having a really hard time finding that non-afghanicus in that "pile" of geckos....
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Nice animals. Great variety. It will be nice to eventually be able to get all of those sub species here in the us more readily. I am really liking the Eublepharis turcmenicus the color and look of that one is beautiful. I think I found the next gecko I want to add to my collection.
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I understand they are a bit smaller than average, but honestly have never heard them called dwarfs before. Leopard Geckos used to be about that size. That is why I asked.
Thirty-something grams sounds more like a dwarf to me though! :main_thumbsup: I`de imagine crossing them to different morphs you will get varying sizes, not neccessarily a dwarf baby. Unless it is a mutation of course.
Thirty-something grams sounds more like a dwarf to me though! :main_thumbsup: I`de imagine crossing them to different morphs you will get varying sizes, not neccessarily a dwarf baby. Unless it is a mutation of course.
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Yeroc62
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Wow...they are gorgeous!
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Pedersen, Soe
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Hi GroovyGeckoes
Eublepharis macularius afghanicus, Eublepharis afghanicus or Eublepharis cf. afghanicus Many names to one animal. Since the origionally description of afghanicus is very very faint, I cannot say that the animals called afghanicus are true afghanicus. What I can say is, that we are dealing with some animals clearly seperated from the ones, we know. Facts are that the ones called afghanicus are smaller and darker with a distinct colouration. Juveniles are smaller and don`t hatch at so high temperatures as macularius. Juveniles hatch mutch smaller and needs a moist area to survive.
To eliminate confusions afghanicus has been called dwarf leopard geckoes for some time now.
Best wishes
Søe
Eublepharis macularius afghanicus, Eublepharis afghanicus or Eublepharis cf. afghanicus Many names to one animal. Since the origionally description of afghanicus is very very faint, I cannot say that the animals called afghanicus are true afghanicus. What I can say is, that we are dealing with some animals clearly seperated from the ones, we know. Facts are that the ones called afghanicus are smaller and darker with a distinct colouration. Juveniles are smaller and don`t hatch at so high temperatures as macularius. Juveniles hatch mutch smaller and needs a moist area to survive.
To eliminate confusions afghanicus has been called dwarf leopard geckoes for some time now.
Best wishes
Søe
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Thanks for your explanation! This is just one of the first times I`m hearing they`ve been called dwarfs. I appologize for my confusion.
Really nice pictures of some really nice animals- and all of them seem to be very special. But I do also doubt, that all of them are what they are called.
There is a lot of confusion about the taxonomy of the leopardgeckos. I did some work with the taxonomist Dr. G. Köhler. At first: he is no specialist for eyelid-geckos. Second part: They have such a big area of circulation and there are only very few data about Eublepharis in the wild- and the area is not really a safe place for scientists.
Especially the pholidosediagnostic for the E. mac. subspecies is not a safe thing at all. Thats the reason that makes it at least very doubtfull, that there are any more subspecies than E.m.m. and E. m. afghanicus. The other forms may only be the border of the clinal variation. There are different forms as we can all see and a lot more research has to be done on that topic. I personally doubt, that montanus, fasciolatus and others are subspecies I tend to say, that they are just local variations. It would be much safer to call them after the locality where they have come from.
For your turcmenicus: 5-9 preanalpores and the bottom-lip-schield touches the postmentalia? If not, they are likely no E. turcmenicus.
Kind regards,
Karsten
There is a lot of confusion about the taxonomy of the leopardgeckos. I did some work with the taxonomist Dr. G. Köhler. At first: he is no specialist for eyelid-geckos. Second part: They have such a big area of circulation and there are only very few data about Eublepharis in the wild- and the area is not really a safe place for scientists.
Especially the pholidosediagnostic for the E. mac. subspecies is not a safe thing at all. Thats the reason that makes it at least very doubtfull, that there are any more subspecies than E.m.m. and E. m. afghanicus. The other forms may only be the border of the clinal variation. There are different forms as we can all see and a lot more research has to be done on that topic. I personally doubt, that montanus, fasciolatus and others are subspecies I tend to say, that they are just local variations. It would be much safer to call them after the locality where they have come from.
For your turcmenicus: 5-9 preanalpores and the bottom-lip-schield touches the postmentalia? If not, they are likely no E. turcmenicus.
Kind regards,
Karsten
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