Frustrating Temperatures

Dog Shrink

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Tile density is what is going to determine what the heat distribution is like. I use to install carpet and tile. Cermaic and porcelain tiles don't hold heat as well as marble or slate tiles will because they are much too porous altho highly durable. Natural stone tiles hold heat better but they will also dissipate the heat thru the entire tile surface rather than just make a warm "spot". So if you have a 12x12 marble or slate tile the whole tile will get warm whereas with the vinyl simulated slate tiles (like what I have in my tank) the thermodynamics of vinyl is, well plastic, and plastic is not a good conductor of heat so you will get spots of heat insted of heat evenly distributed thru the entire vinyl tile surface.

As far as trying to increase your UTH temps with out increaseing the size of your mat amy further you'd need a higher wattage mat. For example cobra heat mats. There is the cobra brand thru T-Rex then there is the cobra heat mat thru the original manufacturer ultratherm. Biggest difference is this...

Cobra T-Rex heat mat
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For the 6x11 size it is only a 7 watt out put mat.

Cobra Heat Mats
Europe's #1 heat mat for more than a decade is now available from T-Rex Products. Cobra Heat Mats are made from incredibly reliable, accurate copper elements that provide uniform even heat distribution. Designed to be used in or out of terrariums, these mats operate at a constant 100 degrees fahrenheit.

T-Rex Cobra Heat Mats are available in 5 different sizes.

Mini Vivarium 3 Watts 4 x 5 inch
10-20 gl. 7 Watts 6 x 11 inch
30-40 gl. 12 Watts 11 x 11 inch
50-60 gl. 20 Watts 11 x 17 inch
Over 60 gl. 28 Watts 11 x 29 inch

For the ultratherm cobra heat mat:
http://www.amazon.com/TREX-COBRA-HEAT-MAT-30-40/dp/B0002AQTBW
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You will see that for the same size mat it is a 12 watt mat insted of 7 watt for the 6x11. Higher wattage means higher heat output. Altho the amazon listing does say T-Rex it is inaccurate because only the ultratherm comes in a black box. The T-Rex with the lower wattage comes in the flaming box.

Sooooo use the link I provided to the amazon site and order the ultratherm cobra heat mat with the higher wattage. I'd even feel comfortable going up to the 11x11 size as that would only take up about a little less than a third of your 20 long tank. I'm also considering upgrading to that size as well myself. If you go with the 20 watt you would likely need a thermostat to regulate temps as this one COULD get too hot.

Lastly cermic heat emitters are pretty much like Eric said. They will increase the ambient temps in your tank moreso than make a hot spot like an infrared or moonlight blue bulb. Altho the spot under the emitter will be warmer than the spot next to the emitter. They're basically a ceramic heat coil. We use a 150 watt in my son's ball python's 90 gallon tank on his hot side.

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REPTICARE® CERAMIC HEAT EMITTERS

What are they?
A porcelain heating device that screws into a standard porcelain incandescent socket

What do they do?Heat emitters give off intense infrared heat, penetrating into the animals muscles, but emit no light! The perfect 24 hour heat source for all tropical and desert reptiles.

Why is the Zoo Med emitter best?Our flat faced design (standard in the ceramic heat industry) is more efficient than conical designs in that it leaves less heat inside the emitter which will ultimately carbonize the element.

1.Our emitters last up to 5 years, which is twice as long as the competition! They keep on going, and going and going...
2.Water resistant! Perfect for high humidity terrariums!
3.Great heat source for a Zoo Med IguanArium and other wire or screen type enclosures.
4.Great for use with our Repti Temp Thermostat or a Rheostats!
5.The ONLY UL/CUL listed Ceramic Heat Emitter!

Ceramic Heat Emitters Helpful Hints

1.For safety reasons, use Emitters in our Repti Clamp Lamp, Brooder Lamp or Slider Hood.
2.Animals should never be allowed to come in direct contact with the Emitter! Do not place directly inside of enclosure.
3.Be sure to monitor temperatures and humidity levels in terrariums. Zoo Med's Precision Analog Thermometer/ Humidity Gauge is perfect for this.

Ok... hopefully that clears up all your heating options as far as alternative sources and how to help boost your temps with out the use of added lighting. Also with the cobra heat mats they do NOT self stick and mine didn't include little feet. I used a piece of plastic styrofoam board to sandwich it between the foam and the tank so I didn't lose any heat out the bottom of the tank. I also used 2 more pieces of the same plastic styrofoam board and I glued it to the sides of my tank so that there was some insulating factor there as well rather than just bare glass. Makes Eros feel a little more secure and helps keep the temps better. You're not losing any heat transferrance thru the glass, keeps the cold outside and warm inside. It's insulated :) and doesn't look horrid. You can also use the insulated foam boards that they wrap your house in before doing vinyl siding I believe its called thermatek (don't quote me there. I usually just call it insul-board) on the sides of the tank as well to provide a barrier. Wrap it in pretty contact paper and voila... function and pretty :)

Hope this helps :)
 
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What should a heat mats temp usually be because my mat for the gecko goes to like 103-106 so i have to put something under the carpet so it wont get so hot. Why is my mat so hot?
 

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Likely because it's a good quality high wattage mat. You can plug it into a dimmer or get a rheostat and turn it down insted of trying to add layers to your tank surface to cool it off. You'd be in trouble if your herp ever decided to burrow thru those layers.
 

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Grr. They can't ship it to my address? Is it because I'm in Canada? Back to square one I guess...except now the temps are in the low 80's so I need something fast :(
 

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Spots in a pinch you can use a human heating pad they usually have a dimmer switch on it I kept mine on med. until I was a ble to get a real heating pad and thermastat it works for a short while until you are able to locate another one!:main_thumbsup:
 

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Grr. They can't ship it to my address? Is it because I'm in Canada? Back to square one I guess...except now the temps are in the low 80's so I need something fast :(

Hey spots I'm in Toronto.ive used human heating pads in a pinch,but get the ones that stay on constantly.I think sunbeam makes them.Dont get the ones that have a safety feature and shuts off after 15 minutes they're no good and wont keep temps up..I also went to home depot and picked up an infrared bulb.it was the larger 150 watt bulb.Now before anyone panics at the wattage here me out.they sell the sockets with the clamps.Clamp the socket to your enclosure and instead of shining the entire bulb on the warm end just swivel the bulb further away from the warm end until u get the desired warmth which is 95 deg.This will do in a pinch.
 
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Spots

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K after lots of searching...I finally got one from world pet store? Hopefully it's legit because it is a little more expensive than the one on amazon lol. I never trust buying things online so does anyone know if worldpetstore.com is okay? They aren't going to steal my money and run right? lol

My old UTH is still on the tank until I get the new one in. The temps keep fluctuating betwen 83-90. I have a bulb on still to keep the temps a bit warmer. Now I was thinking of ordering a thermastat too. Any ideas of where to get one too? Like, can I go into a home hardware store (home depot, canadian tire, rona, etc) to get one? Or does it have to be specifically for reptiles?
 

bbleifus

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It is ok for the temp to fluctuate. It simulates natural conditions. Your temp of 90 is good for your day time high. Your problem started when you went to tile. The more substrate you have the less effective your UTH becomes.
 

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It's just going to take a couple days for the tile to actually heat up since you're heating an entire surface now insted of just a spot as with your previous substrait. Tile will disperse and dissipate the heat thru the entire surface of the tile, not just one spot. It'll warm up... My son has his ball in a 90 gallon slate bottom tank and it took nearly a week for him to get back up to temps.
 

Spots

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I know tile takes a while but it's been a few months. lol And I know the fluctuations are fine. but it's just that my high can only get to 90 with the UTH and the light on AND the tank insulated which is why I created the forum - to see how I can make it more stable and convenient.

I'm ordering that ultratherm/cobra mat and thanks dougefresh for the thermastat link! Hopefully this solves all my problems. OH! except one more thing. My room is about 13-15 degrees...um 60F. so even with the 20watt matt, will it be able to hit 93-95F in the tank? I did some research and it said that it will increase the temp 30 degrees above the temp of the room. If my room is 60...it will still only go to 90?
 

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Right now Spots our house is at 58*F and with the cobra heat mat and a 50 watt night light bulb on I'm hitting 97 easily so if you need to suppliment some heat esp. since you're getting the thermostat it shouldn't be that hard. The thermostat will turn off and on your secondary heat source as needed.
 

roger

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I know tile takes a while but it's been a few months. lol And I know the fluctuations are fine. but it's just that my high can only get to 90 with the UTH and the light on AND the tank insulated which is why I created the forum - to see how I can make it more stable and convenient.

I'm ordering that ultratherm/cobra mat and thanks dougefresh for the thermastat link! Hopefully this solves all my problems. OH! except one more thing. My room is about 13-15 degrees...um 60F. so even with the 20watt matt, will it be able to hit 93-95F in the tank? I did some research and it said that it will increase the temp 30 degrees above the temp of the room. If my room is 60...it will still only go to 90?

Can u not get a floor heater to bring your ambient temps up?
 

Spots

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The heat vent in my room does not work (faulty installation from the previous owners) but I'm used to having a chilly room now. I'm moving out next year though but currently with a 75 watt bulb and a UTH, I hit 93 during the day and 85 at night. I don't like using the bulb so that's why I wanted to see what I could do about making the most of the UTH. Just waiting to get some new equipment in then hopefully it will solve everything.

Thanks for all the help. :)
 

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